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PetaQ Street's Back... Alright!!
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x09 - "Subspace Rhapsody"
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PetaQ Street's Back... Alright!!
Totally stealing that to use somewhere else. 
Anything goes? Was that from Temple Of Doom?
I can't say if this is what production was thinking of, but the performances (especially the lead singer's "intro") and the bad green screen definitely made me think of Epic Rap Battles of History.
That's my first 10 of the series so far. Not because of the singing but because the story was about fast-tracking communication and they fast-tracked Spock, Chapel, Uhura, and Kirk towards their TOS versions in ways that felt quite organic. Most of the new characters also had major character development too.
It was a joy to see Uhura blossom after some whingeing that Celia's version is a metaphorical pale imitation. I love them so much!
But the real eye opener that totally re-wrote the the way we view TOS was Chapel's absolutely brutal dumping of Spock. All these years we've assumed she was pining away for the wrong man but she did it to herself. Absolutely genius characterisation.
It was a joy to see Uhura blossom after some whingeing that Celia's version is a metaphorical pale imitation. I love them so much!
But the real eye opener that totally re-wrote the the way we view TOS was Chapel's absolutely brutal dumping of Spock. All these years we've assumed she was pining away for the wrong man but she did it to herself. Absolutely genius characterisation.
Maybe she wasn't pining after all but just feeling sorry for him
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It's painful for both parties, due to the subspace harmonic universe pulling those emotions out of her and forcing her to confront Spock with brutal honesty (and a hell of a sultry number). I have no doubts Christine would have been far more delicate when explaining to Spock how she felt, but this was a brute force trauma for both of them. So I feel pain for both of them.
SNW's track record notwithstanding, I did go into this episode with some trepidation and tempered expectations given what I anticipated to be the fluff nature of this outing. And here I'll end up giving it an enthusiastic 10+, given not only the exquisite production values and performances, but the character development that advanced the TOS backstory. Namedropping Kirby, Spock getting butthurt by Chapel's apparent volatile indifference, a Carol pregnancy reference by footloose Kirk, and so much more that would take too long to recount. Some great quips again, like M'Benga saying he doesn't sing, to Kirk telling Spock he almost understood him, and no one wanting singing Klingons. The entire cast was in good voice, but I particularly enjoyed Chapel's sultriness. The chicks outdid the dudes in the singing department IMO. The Klingon bit fell a bit flat to me, but kudos for having the chutzpah to at least let it rip. I am definitely going to rewatch the entire season after it's all over, all the while lamenting the 10 episode limit, which seems par for the course on so many good genre shows nowadays. Oh well...
IMHO, women always out do men when it comes to singing. They so much more energy, softness and charisma to their vocals. It's appealing.
I think Chapel probably would have let Spock down easier without the anomaly. But it’s not like she lacked opportunity, if she can go to the bar and celebrate with Ortegas and Kirk over Champaign she can find Spock and tell him.
Then again, maybe the brutality was the point. Thanks to Boimler she knows they can’t be together so she needed to make sure Spock doesn’t try to make it work. And what better way to make it a hard break than showing him up in such a public way like that.
Then again, maybe the brutality was the point. Thanks to Boimler she knows they can’t be together so she needed to make sure Spock doesn’t try to make it work. And what better way to make it a hard break than showing him up in such a public way like that.
It's k-pop
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Perhaps, but then again, if you have some news that's going to negatively affect someone you care about, how quickly you go to them isn't so much a personal failing as it is a genuine desire not to do more harm. Chapel's only human, after all.
Her friends are there, now, so she can celebrate in that moment, and the hard news for Spock can come later, when she's more emotionally prepared to tell him. She didn't get that chance.
Shoulda had the Klingons do a bit of Beastie Boys-style rapping.
I had a big grin on my face through the whole thing. It went to 11!
By way of Cole Porter.
But that wouldn't have been nearly as funny!
I mean, the Klingons literally attempted to act with a genocidal negligence that would have killed billions of people, and they sang about their desire to impale every single Federate aboard the Enterprise. They're not acting as semi-allies.
The Klingon military was first explicitly established to be named the Klingon Defense Force in TNG S317 "Sins of the Father," which aired in 1990. It was referred to as the Klingon Defense Force or the Klingon Defense Forces subsequently in episodes such as "Sons of Mogh," "Soldiers of the Empire," and "Favor the Bold." So as far as the idea that Klingons wouldn't call it a defense force, that ship sailed 33 years ago.
Interestingly, the Klingon Defense Force seems not to have existed during the Federation-Klingon War of 2256-2257 seen in DIS Season One. In that war, each individual House had its own fleet and its own soldiers. So the Defense Force seems to be new -- presumably one of Chancellor L'Rell's innovations, to better unite the Empire by establishing a single imperial military.
I really appreciate that attitude. Even if one doesn't like something, I think it's really important for Star Trek to have room for creative experimentation, room to break out of its own formulae. Without that kind of experimentation, a franchise or a series will eventually become creatively stagnant and die off -- like what happened in the final years of VOY and ENT, frankly.
By the same token, I prefer the makeup design for the Klingons seen in SNW, but I'm really glad DIS had the creative freedom to establish a new Klingon makeup design. Even if I didn't always prefer how the results turned out, I wanted them to have the freedom to take those kinds of chances.
I dunno man. I don't think it's the fact that she was willing to break up with him to pursue the fellowship that broke his heart. I think it was the fact that she didn't trust him enough to come to him with the news first, and that she immediately jumped to assuming he was going to ask her to stay when all he asked was why she didn't talk to him before literally everyone else.
Basically, Spock wanted to know that he was special to her, that she trusted him. And... she doesn't.
Which is, ironically, exactly what happened between Spock and T'Pring.
Accidentally leaving in a "well done Anson" or whatever no more makes "Subspace Rhapsody" not-canon than, say, the main view screen on the bridge of the NX-01 replaced with a step-ladder, lights, and the interior of a soundstage means that ENT "Bound" isn't canon.
The first half of "Status Report" is amazing. I love the "Apologies" chorus and the way it builds tension. But the second half loses a lot of the tension the first half built up with the "everything's okay" lines.
As a veteran of two different productions of Cole Porter's Anything Goes, it pains me to hear you attribute a (deeply problematic) classic of American musical theatre to an Indiana Jones movie.
That may be how she saw it, but... you know, part of being in a relationship that goes beyond just a casual fling -- even if you haven't fully decided what you want from your partner and haven't made a full commitment yet -- is that you make their feelings a priority. Doesn't mean it's the only priority. Doesn't mean she should have put her relationship with Spock above her career prospects. She made the right choice by taking the fellowship.
But it was incredibly disrespectful and insensitive to Spock to talk to everyone else about it before him. I'm sorry, but it's not being sensitive to talk to him later -- it's actively being insensitive, because it demonstrates a lack of trust and it privileges randos in the mess hall over her semi-partner. It was deeply inconsiderate.
And then, when asked why she didn't talk to him, she seemed to be reacting in her song as though Spock was asking her not to go. Which he never did.
I understand where Christine's coming from, but she allowed her insecurity over her relationship with Spock push her into being really insensitive and disrespectful. Spock has a right to be upset.
Although, again, her keeping this from Spock isn't much different from Spock keeping his emergency secret from T'Pring in "Charades."
Possibly, but even then, she ought to know better. In a situation like that, you should talk to your partner. Share your concerns and trust them! Work with them to figure it out!
Anyway, this is not bad writing at all. It's very emotionally honest writing -- people get like this sometimes! But it's frustrating to see those kids go through this, dangit!
In almost twenty years I've never noticed that until now.
I didn't either, and I've watched the episode 5 times at least.
But it's like Tasha waving at the end of...what was it, Conspiracy? I forget. Or the various times set dressing made it on screen or a computer panel display wasn't properly mounted
no, it's from The Clone Wars. You have not experienced Anything Goes until you have heard it in the original Huttese.