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Is SNW getting too goofy?

This is an incoherent response. You claim you're being treated more harshly than you would have been treated in person, someone replies by saying they would have treated you identically in person, and you retort by saying you're not talking in person? Absolute non sequitor.
Because you setup a non-sense situation to fit your narative.
One that doesn't apply to the subject matter that we're supposed to be discussing.
This entire Thread is about "Is SNW getting too goofy?".

Yet you make this about somebody's personal life.
That's not what I made it about, it was never about their personal life.

Online or in-person, your behavior was objectionable and you're being treated the same way you would in either environment.
No, you're having a hissy fit because you feel like you were slighted or need to feel slighted for somebody else who isn't even here. You're white knighting and virtue signaling over something that isn't even relevant to the topic of this thread.


You didn't just "source a picture" from the interview. You didn't just have a prior idea and then happen to take a piece of supporting evidence for your thesis from that interview. You actively responded to that particular interview by objectifying Navia. It was incredibly gross.
I just grabbed a screen shot because it was convenient, you completely blew it out of context beyond what I was trying to state.


Nope. Absolutely not. This assertion is another act of objectification and dehumanization from you.
Non-sense, you're the one having a melt down over a simple picture.

Hollywood is all about looks, if you can't understand that.
Beauty in Hollywood: The Importance of a Pretty Face
Pretty Privilege: A personal Perspective from Hollywood
In a perfect world, there would be no privileges. In reality, being pretty offers huge advantages, especially in Hollywood. But slowly, things are changing.
In Hollywood, which Star Trek is apart of, looks matter.
 
but she isn't here, she isn't participating in this thread.
You don't know that and can't know that. The only thing you can be certain of Melissa Navia is not registered here with a verified account. She could be lurking, or registered on an unverified account. Indeed, Trek BBS had an incident in the past where an actress from another Trek series stumbled upon a thread about her in which the posters were objectifying her and saying all kinds of unpleasant things about her looks and age and the like. Let's just say it's not remembered as Trek BBS's finest hour.

And for fuck's sakes, "free speech" does not mean you are immune from facing consequences if others disagree with what you say. They're just as free to disagree with what you post as you are to post it.
 
So far none of the Mods or Administrators have suspended you for anything you've posted over the last day or so; so no one here is interfering with your freedom of speech as you've been posting very freely.
There shouldn't be any reason to, I haven't done anything worth moding.

You seem to have an issue with is people's responses to your post. In other words you seem upset and don't want them to be able to exercise their free speech.
I could care less that he exercises his free speech, he can go ahead.
But his description is biased to his PoV and inaccurate to what I'm describing.

You're the one who posted everything you have on a public Message Board where anyone with an account is free to respond as they see fit. And they have been.
So have you, you've responded as well. Congrats we're all talking freely.

So yeah move on and quit being a hypocrite.
What is there to be hypocritical about?

You don't know that and can't know that. The only thing you can be certain of Melissa Navia is not registered here with a verified account. She could be lurking, or registered on an unverified account. Indeed, Trek BBS had an incident in the past where an actress from another Trek series stumbled upon a thread about her in which the posters were objectifying her and saying all kinds of unpleasant things about her looks and age and the like. Let's just say it's not remembered as Trek BBS's finest hour.
That sucks that they were mean about her looks.

And for fuck's sakes, "free speech" does not mean you are immune from facing consequences if others disagree with what you say. They're just as free to disagree with what you post as you are to post it.
Ok, then I'm here to defend myself, doesn't mean I agree with their criticisms.
 
Because you setup a non-sense situation to fit your narative.

"Narrative?" You did a thing and it pissed me off because it was disrespectful of someone's grief. That's not a narrative, that's just what happens when you objectify women and disrespect someone's grief.

Yet you make this about somebody's personal life.

No, you did that when you chose to respond to an interview about her grief by complaining about her hair.

No, you're having a hissy fit

The only person having a hissy fit is the guy trying to play the victim and make himself a martyr because someone else called him out on his shitty behavior.

You're white knighting and virtue signaling

My mother died two years ago. Navia has spoken thoughtfully and sensitively about her grief many times; it's something I really connect to. And then you respond to this by complaining you don't think she's pretty enough.

I'm not white-knighting. I'm offended because I know what it's like to grieve, and yet you responded to that topic by pissing all over it. I'm reacting this way because this disrespecting one person's grief is disrespecting every person's grief.

I just grabbed a screen shot because it was convenient, you completely blew it out of context beyond what I was trying to state.

You cannot use an interview in that context and then change the topic to piss on her hair. The fact that that interview is about grief completely overrides everything else.

The appropriate way for you to respond would be to say, "Hey, you know what, I'm sorry. I was trying to talk about this one thing, and I shouldn't have used an image from this particular interview to illustrate it. Doing that made it seem like I didn't care about her feelings or like I was disrespecting grief; that wasn't my intention and I apologize."

But instead, you chose to double-down on your alleged "right" to objectify a woman.

Hollywood is all about looks, if you can't understand that.
Beauty in Hollywood: The Importance of a Pretty Face
Pretty Privilege: A personal Perspective from Hollywood

In Hollywood, which Star Trek is apart of, looks matter.

Stop trying to control women's bodies.
 
"Narrative?" You did a thing and it pissed me off because it was disrespectful of someone's grief. That's not a narrative, that's just what happens when you objectify women and disrespect someone's grief.
I wasn't even talking about her personal life, you brought it up.
There was no objectification, it was stating a fact that her hair style in-show, wasn't nearly as good as what she wears IRL.


No, you did that when you chose to respond to an interview about her grief by complaining about her hair.
I never brought up the interview, I was just talking about how her hair looks good.
The interview wasn't even on my mind, I never even wanted to discuss the interview.
You did, you're the one who cares about said interview and dragged it into the conversation, not me.


The only person having a hissy fit is the guy trying to play the victim and make himself a martyr because someone else called him out on his shitty behavior.
I'm not the one blowing up one picture into a argument.
What shitty behavior is there?
Stating that her hair IRL looks better than the style they gave her in show?
That's just my opinion on her hair style.


My mother died two years ago. Navia has spoken thoughtfully and sensitively about her grief many times; it's something I really connect to. And then you respond to this by complaining you don't think she's pretty enough.
I'm sorry for your loss, I lost my grand mother 6 years ago and grand father 7 years ago.
But that's not what we should be discussing at hand in this topic thread about "Is SNW getting too goofy?".
This was the first time I even heard about her personal tragedy, it sucks, my condolences.
But that was never the topic or subject matter at hand.

I'm not white-knighting. I'm offended because I know what it's like to grieve, and yet you responded to that topic by pissing all over it. I'm reacting this way because this disrespecting one person's grief is disrespecting every person's grief.
Everybody experiences loss, I have, you have, we all have at some point in time.
Doesn't mean we're dis-respecting it.
You became overly sensitive to a picture I screen capped.
I didn't even know she lost anybody until I watched the interview after you brought it up.


You cannot use an interview in that context and then change the topic to piss on her hair. The fact that that interview is about grief completely overrides everything else.
It was a screen cap that I grabbed randomly, I didn't even watch the interview until after you mentioned it.


The appropriate way for you to respond would be to say, "Hey, you know what, I'm sorry. I was trying to talk about this one thing, and I shouldn't have used an image from this particular interview to illustrate it. Doing that made it seem like I didn't care about her feelings or like I was disrespecting grief; that wasn't my intention and I apologize."
I'm sorry you were offended, that was never my intention.
I just grabbed a screen cap randomly because it was the first thing I saw and had easy access to.
Your feelings weren't even on my radar.


But instead, you chose to double-down on your alleged "right" to objectify a woman.
What, saying her IRL hair style is better than the one she wore in show?


Stop trying to control women's bodies.
Nobody here is controlling anybody's bodies.
I'm just stating the obvious fact that is how Hollywood operates and how they do business.
Good Looks sells, that's a fact of life.
People buy Hollywoods products because of good looks.

You don't have to like it, but that's reality.
 
I think the show is doing fine already. Why force one of the actors to change their hair because it doesn’t appeal to certain men? That’s just creepy as shit.

I think the point that is trying to be said is the actors natural hair was better than what they choose for the character. In that sense, the make up artists changed her hair and they didn't need to.
 
I think the show is doing fine already. Why force one of the actors to change their hair because it doesn’t appeal to certain men? That’s just creepy as shit.
Why does Hollywood go to extensive lengths to make every cast member look their best?

Look at each Cast Member, they look GREAT!

Melissa Navia was chosen as well, she objectively is naturally beautiful.

But Hair Styles are subjective, some hair styles looks better than others.

Her natural IRL Hair Style didn't need any work IMO.

She could've just rolled in as is and played her character.
 
I think the point that is trying to be said is the actors natural hair was better than what they choose for the character. In that sense, the make up artists changed her hair and they didn't need to.
The hair suits the character, she just isn’t being sexualized to appeal to straight men which seems to be the actual complaint.
 
Why does Hollywood go to extensive lengths to make every cast member look their best?

Look at each Cast Member, they look GREAT!

Melissa Navia was chosen as well, she objectively is naturally beautiful.

But Hair Styles are subjective, some hair styles looks better than others.

Her natural IRL Hair Style didn't need any work IMO.

She could've just rolled in as is and played her character.
She looks fine to me, based on the reactions elsewhere she seems to be a popular character. If it isn’t broke, don’t try to fix it. Especially such a minor detail.
 
The hair suits the character, she just isn’t being sexualized to appeal to straight men which seems to be the actual complaint.
That was Sci's complaint.

But the fact is that Hollywood, makes shows to appeal to the masses.

Changing her Hair Style isn't a big deal, especially if they go with what is naturally there and didn't have to do any extra work.

She looks fine to me, based on the reactions elsewhere she seems to be a popular character. If it isn’t broke, don’t try to fix it. Especially such a minor detail.
That's her phenomenal acting, charisma, & personality carrying all of that.

It's that one little final touch to make her better, it's not a big deal, it's just a little edge to give to her character to make her stand out even more than she already has.
 
That was Sci's complaint.

But the fact is that Hollywood, makes shows to appeal to the masses.

Changing her Hair Style isn't a big deal, especially if they go with what is naturally there and didn't have to do any extra work.


That's her phenomenal acting, charisma, & personality carrying all of that.

It's that one little final touch to make her better, it's not a big deal, it's just a little edge to give to her character to make her stand out even more than she already has.
Stand out to you. The show isn’t required to appeal to your “tastes” in women.
 
That was Sci's complaint.

But the fact is that Hollywood, makes shows to appeal to the masses.

Changing her Hair Style isn't a big deal, especially if they go with what is naturally there and didn't have to do any extra work.


That's her phenomenal acting, charisma, & personality carrying all of that.

It's that one little final touch to make her better, it's not a big deal, it's just a little edge to give to her character to make her stand out even more than she already has.

Stop trying to control women's bodies.
 
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