I find the explanation superfluous.Hey, I'm just pointing out SNW's explanation for it. How you handle your head canon is up to you.
Spoilers ST Strange New Worlds - Starships and Technology Season Two Discussion
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I don't think the writers and producers of SNW "don't give a shit about continuity." I think they just aren't going to let continuity with a 55+ year show made in the '60's interfere with the stories they want to tell for a show produced in 2023. And that's the way it should be. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that lots of things aren't consistent, and that, say, the SNW character of Chapel is not remotely like the TOS character of Chapel or that she is going to 'evolve' into Majel Barrett's portrayal of her. They're just using that old show and those old characters as a template for making something completely different while (at least trying to) adhere to the spirit of the old. To me, that's the definition of a reboot, and whether it's a full-fledged reimagining (like nuBSG), a change in the timeline in-universe (like the Abrams films), or just a "I can't trust my own eyes anymore visual reboot but still in the same universe" lip-service (like what CBS is advertising), one can enjoy it for what they get out of it.
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Let's get back to the technology, shall we?
The bussard collectors, or the time portal Boimler and Mariner came through. I haven't seen any discussion in this thread about those.
(The latter looks a little like a Stargate. But that's a superficial similarly.)
The bussard collectors, or the time portal Boimler and Mariner came through. I haven't seen any discussion in this thread about those.
(The latter looks a little like a Stargate. But that's a superficial similarly.)
Honestly, it looks like a uglier version of the StarGate.
Nothing beats a simple ring.
Well, it's TWO simple rings..!
I've been working conventions and performing of late, so my watch schedule is off. But:
2x06
- Yay, nacelle tube action! And lots of it. What we see is much closer to the Enteprrise-D tube, even if the set itself is smaller and more akin to the control room on the NX-01 (despite not being IN the nacelle tube itself). So why have a window inside? The E-D didn't have one. It's not like the crew there didn't know where they were working that day.
- And the Enterprise suffers some pretty catastrophic damage to said tube. Does the Farragut tow her away?
- And we don't see the Farragut, do we? It's kinda funny to not see her when the CG asset is available, but at the same time it's also a nice change as there's no real reason that she'd HAVE to be in visual range except at the end, where her torpedoes sure would've been nice to see.
- ...Because Enterprise fires a LOT of them. And rapid fire, something she may effectively lose by the time of TOS, when one shot about every two seconds seems to be the norm.
- Little fanfare for the station's... shuttles? Escape pods? I haven't seen any production sketches yet, but this show's been pretty good about releasing stuff like this.
- Ditto for the collector itself, which is pretty big by Starfleet standards of this era. Would it have been built in place, towed here, or warped on its own like the Son'a's version a century later? Probably the first or second, which begs the question of HOW they got it, or all its materials, to this point.
(Or how none of the construction ships, who'd doubtlessly have gassed up while there wouldn't have experienced any zombie hallucinations, but I digress.)
- Are we establishing here that Fleet Captain is a brevet rank of this era, used only when ships are temporarily assigned together? He's ultimately beeping away at that rank anyway, so I guess we're pulling that into this specific show's canon. But what does that mean for other examples of ships flocking on the same assignment? Would Picard have been brevetted to Fleet Captain for the Romulan blockade? Kirk (or Sulu?) when facing down Klingons over Organia? Sisko during various Dominion War operations?
Mark
I've been working conventions and performing of late, so my watch schedule is off. But:
2x06
- Yay, nacelle tube action! And lots of it. What we see is much closer to the Enteprrise-D tube, even if the set itself is smaller and more akin to the control room on the NX-01 (despite not being IN the nacelle tube itself). So why have a window inside? The E-D didn't have one. It's not like the crew there didn't know where they were working that day.
- And the Enterprise suffers some pretty catastrophic damage to said tube. Does the Farragut tow her away?
- And we don't see the Farragut, do we? It's kinda funny to not see her when the CG asset is available, but at the same time it's also a nice change as there's no real reason that she'd HAVE to be in visual range except at the end, where her torpedoes sure would've been nice to see.
- ...Because Enterprise fires a LOT of them. And rapid fire, something she may effectively lose by the time of TOS, when one shot about every two seconds seems to be the norm.
- Little fanfare for the station's... shuttles? Escape pods? I haven't seen any production sketches yet, but this show's been pretty good about releasing stuff like this.
- Ditto for the collector itself, which is pretty big by Starfleet standards of this era. Would it have been built in place, towed here, or warped on its own like the Son'a's version a century later? Probably the first or second, which begs the question of HOW they got it, or all its materials, to this point.
(Or how none of the construction ships, who'd doubtlessly have gassed up while there wouldn't have experienced any zombie hallucinations, but I digress.)
- Are we establishing here that Fleet Captain is a brevet rank of this era, used only when ships are temporarily assigned together? He's ultimately beeping away at that rank anyway, so I guess we're pulling that into this specific show's canon. But what does that mean for other examples of ships flocking on the same assignment? Would Picard have been brevetted to Fleet Captain for the Romulan blockade? Kirk (or Sulu?) when facing down Klingons over Organia? Sisko during various Dominion War operations?
Mark
The bussard collectors were interesting as the nacelle domes opened slots to ingest.
The time portal reminds me of a curly fry that double looped. I'm surprised no one secures these installations.
Possibly or it was a temporary billet overseeing these operations. Like Beverly overseeing Starfleet Medical.
Actually it is about the same rate of fire as seen on the TOS Enterprise in "The Ultimate Computer" (4 torpedoes) and "Elaan of Troyius" (6 torpedoes) of about two per second. The TMP Enterprise in "The Search for Spock" also fired two torpedoes (same launcher) in one second. The SNW Enterprise fired 8 torpedoes at about two per second.
You might be thinking of "Arena" where there was a 2 second gap between torpedoes fired. "Journey to Babel" and "Obsession" had a one second gap per torpedo.
For what it might be worth, the FASA Trekverse treated it as a formal title and not a rank for their TOS era stuff, but then later made it into a very specialized flag rank for their TNG Officer's Manual. A fleet captain was above a commodore and below an admiral (with five gold pips, while commodore had five silver pips) and was responsible for overseeing the development of new advanced classes like the Galaxy. There were only three fleet captains mentioned for TNG, so it was a very distinguished position.
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The Kelcie Mae is a single nacelle ship and the bottom pics look like a shuttle attached to a larger ship. Perhaps a SNW-style runabout?
The Kelcie Mae looks very cool though.
Definitely a runabout style adaptation of the shuttle set they already have, suggesting we’ll see the interior. Or maybe something along the lines of the warp sled shuttle we see in TMP. Looking forward to finding out!
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That's pretty much it. They clearly didn't want it to be the normal Class-F, but also wanted to use the Class-F set, so it ended up with the same forward cabin and a totally different back. Sort of like the shuttle and scoutship in INS that were designed around using the Runabout and VGR shuttle cockpits.
