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Controversial Opinion:

Do You Want To Build A Snowman is the best song from Frozen.

Controversial opinion: None of the music from Frozen is very good. Earwormish to a certain extent, but not good. Which is strange, because the rest of the movie is actually, for the most part, one of Disney's best.
 
I've got the best Snowman song right here.

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Damnit!

Do you know what a hassle all that editing was while on my phone?

The spoiler rule is 6 months from airdate. It’s posted at the top of the forum in two different places.

The stuff you’re talking about happened in April, which means October before openly discussing in this forum.

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You're going to have to start including a video (with sound!) of Pine-Kirk yelling "Will you thtop that!" with each of these.
 
Snowmen and Christmas is very interlinked, so with all this talk about Snowman songs, I feel I must point out of the best Christmas song ever made...

"Mistress For Christmas" by AC/DC.
 
Chakotay and Seven had potential to be a great couple, if developed properly.
Jeri Ryan and Robert Beltran had no chemistry. I never thought it worked. The actor Ryan did have chemistry with was Robert Picardo.
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Saru is the worst character on "Discovery." If he didn't have such cool alien makeup, and instead was a traditional rubber forehead alien, more people would realize how bland he is.
How bland he is contributes to the appeal of the character. Saru is not my favorite Star Trek character, but I do think Doug Jones is a great actor and I can understand why it works for many of Discovery's fans.

Saru is basically a mismash of Trek's most popular character tropes. He basically functions as the Spock to Burnham's Kirk. He's the logical and rational aspect of the bridge crew that tempers Burnham's "damn it, we gotta do something!" tendencies. Saru's position as the first Kelpian to experience life beyond oppression gives him the sort of naive witness observation of humanity that Data had going on. Also, because Saru had left behind family in a hellish situation that he both has guilt over and informs his position with Starfleet, he has elements of Tasha Yar's backstory.
Johnathan Archer is the one flaw of "Enterprise" that I just cannot get past (and that's saying something)
I remember thinking Scott Bakula was totally wrong for Archer during the first 2 seasons, especially given they initially gave the character a nasty resentment of Vulcans that's ugly. But once you get into season 3, I do think Bakula becomes more comfortable and he's great.
I call PIC Season 3 dumb, mindless fun and fanwank. Empty calories but tasty. DSC Season 4 was actually ambitious and Species 10-C was one of the most philosophically "Star Trek" things the franchise has done in many years.
Picard season 3 may not have been ambitious in what it went for, but what it did go for it did well.

Discovery season 4 might have been more ambitious in what it was attempting, but its execution was total shit for me. The back-and-forth between Burnham and Book that defined the season was tiring and stupid. It felt contrived and out-of-character, and what could of been an interesting exploration of this unknown entity is continually sidetracked by a threat from Burnham's love life that's an idiot plot.
 
I would have preferred to see more time spent with Tarka since his plan to destroy Species 10-C drove so much of the season. Alas, we got what we got but what I watched I was impressed with for the most part.
 
How bland he is contributes to the appeal of the character. Saru is not my favorite Star Trek character, but I do think Doug Jones is a great actor and I can understand why it works for many of Discovery's fans.
I guess I must be bland because I enjoy Saru thoroughly and identify strongly with him. The most recent clip for Season 5 reaffirmed this.
 
I would have preferred to see more time spent with Tarka since his plan to destroy Species 10-C drove so much of the season. Alas, we got what we got but what I watched I was impressed with for the most part.

I kind of hated that they basically said out front that Tarka was wrong and he was made the bad guy. I think at the beginning he had good intentions and it would have been nice to see that character be a little more 3 dimensional.
 
So what are your controversial Star Trek opinions then?
1. Looking forward to Legacy.
2. Looking forward to the Section 31 TV Movie.
3. When Disco left the 23rd Century, in a way, so did I.
4. I side with Janeway in "Tuvix".
5. PIC Season 3 is awesome.
6. As much as I like Spock, B'Elanna Torres is a much better example of someone coming to terms with two cultures.
7. "Calypso" needs a lead-in and a follow-up.
8. TOS Season 3 is good.
9. I felt it when Airiam died.
10. "The Omega Glory" is a good episode if you forget about the last part.

Bonus:
11. Speaking of Omega... An Omega Particle should've caused The Burn.
12. A later series can channel TOS all it wants, but that doesn't automatically mean it's always a good idea or that it'll work for said later series.

13. The phrase "Closer to TOS!" needs to be retired, because it doesn't actually mean anything, even though it sounds like it does.
  • TNG was "closer to TOS!" by going back to the exploration the movies had abandoned.
  • DS9 was "closer to TOS!" by re-introducing serious character conflict between the main characters and by being out on the frontier.
  • VOY was "closer to TOS!" with Voyager being all alone with no backup.
  • ENT was "closer to TOS!" by taking place when everything was largely unexplored. And by duplicating the Kirk/Spock/McCoy trio.
  • DSC was "closer to TOS!" by taking place closer to TOS than anything else up to that point and bringing back TOS characters.
  • PIC was "closer to TOS!" by having the TNG characters be less stoic and having the TNG Era not look sterile.
  • SNW is "closer to TOS!" by showing Pike's crew, going back to episodic stories, not being dark, and loving primary colors.
Notice a pattern? Every series is supposedly "closer to TOS!" But how many of them actually are? Or is it really that there are different parts of TOS in each of the later series? And whatever part someone identifies as the most like TOS will determine which of those later shows is "closer to TOS!"
 
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Picard season 3 may not have been ambitious in what it went for, but what it did go for it did well.

Discovery season 4 might have been more ambitious in what it was attempting, but its execution was total shit for me. The back-and-forth between Burnham and Book that defined the season was tiring and stupid. It felt contrived and out-of-character, and what could of been an interesting exploration of this unknown entity is continually sidetracked by a threat from Burnham's love life that's an idiot plot.

For me, Pic season 3 was more laughably contrived and out of character than anything I've ever seen in Trek's history, in addition to having zero ambition, zero character development, a totally non-sensical plot and generally boring villains and guest stars.

I mean the set-up alone...
Not only does Beverly's fear of Jack growing up as Picard's son make very little sense ( 9 times out of ten, her life on the Enterprise was dangerous because space is dangerous and Starfleet is a target as well as a volunteer service for shouldering dangerous responsiblities, not because Jean-Luc was on the ship), it still shouldn't require her to cut off all contact with literally every friend she ever had. And her 'solution' is to raise Jack alone in space in a tiny ship while still actively involving him in dangerous encounters with smugglers and criminals, because that sounds totally safe. And when she finally calls for help and explicitly says 'No Starfleet!' the supposed tactical geniuses Picard and RIker immediately agree she probably has a good reason to say that but also instantly decide to bring an entire Starfleet ship anyway because they can't think of any other way to travel through space.
Such 'organic' and totally not contrived storytelling that.
 
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