Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x06 - "Lost in Translation"

[Unique]

Not every episode needs a "Dramatic Explosion" inside.

I need a sarc font.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I just about came out of my chair when that aired. I jumped when rotten Hemmer appeared, too, but the overall tone wasn’t near as spooky as TNG.

This episode seems more about trauma than jump scares. Maybe I'll watch "Night Terrors" later tonight.

 

[Amaris]

If some Alien tells you to give up Warp Drive, it's killing them by using Warp Drive, don't leave your Star System?

Are you going to comply?

If some Alien tells you to give up Replicators, it's killing them, will you give up Replicators?

Where do you draw the line?

If some Alien tells you that your existence is causing them to suffer, are you going to give up your life for them?

Where do you draw the line?

Man, you really want to save this child crushing machine for some reason.

 

[Trekker4747]

I'm watching through TNG just watched Night Terrors last night!

 

[JonnyQuest037]

No sarcasm. We now see that these three met much earlier than seemingly any others and eventually work together longer.

Kirk, Spock, and Uhura meeting earlier than the others and working together for longer doesn't necessarily mean that those three are closer than others. Hell, just look at the TOS cast for evidence of that. Shatner and Nimoy were undoubtedly the closest out of that bunch, even though Shatner worked with most of the cast for a similar length of time. I'm closer to some people I've known for two years than I am with people I've known for 20. Some pairings of people just click better than others.

And by no stretch of the imagination was Uhura ever as important to TOS as McCoy turned out to be. The TOS Big Three are Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. End of story.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Man, you really want to save this child crushing machine for some reason.

I'm against pointlessly destroying machines when you could've found a way to turn it off and towed it out to another stellar nursery some-where else.

 

[Rainard Fox]

When watching TOS, like the Tholian Web, I always thought those seat-belt style restraints for insane sickbay patients were ridiculously primitive looking. Now I realize even those were better than the apparent non-existent restraints in SNW! This is not the first time a dangerous patient has escaped M'Benga's sickbay! (It also happened in the series premiere)

I'd also say that I'm disappointed that M'Benga mentally withdraws every time when it goes to the cases which are literally CMO's cases. I don't understand if it is character's trait which should explain his further demotion or it's just a lazy writing.

 

[Yistaan]

I'm liking SNW Uhura much better than whoever we got in the Kelvin movies. Kelvin Uhura seems to be an unfortunate "angry black woman" borderline stereotype that Zoe Saldana seems to have cornered the market in (also see Gamora in Guardians of the Galaxy and arguably even Neytiri in Avatar).

I'd also say that I'm disappointed that M'Benga mentally withdraws every time when it goes to the cases which are literally CMO's cases. I don't understand if it is character's trait which should explain his further demotion or it's just a lazy writing.

It's lazy writing because every time they want to show Babs' jiu-jitsu skills M'Benga's suddenly a tough and commanding character.

 

[NCC-73515]

In a way, it was Disco S4 reversed. The Deuterians signalled to SF that their machine is killing them by sending hallucinatory impressions of death and horror, just like SF signalled 10-C that their machine kills them by signalling death and horror in molecular blinky language.

This child crusher can be saved

Save Wesley!

How can you know that blowing up the station won’t kill them, though?

I also kinda expected the explosion to just burn more lifeforms and make it worse

 

[Unique]

When watching TOS, like the Tholian Web, I always thought those seat-belt style restraints for insane sickbay patients were ridiculously primitive looking. Now I realize even those were better than the apparent non-existent restraints in SNW! This is not the first time a dangerous patient has escaped M'Benga's sickbay! (It also happened in the series premiere)

When that scene opened and the hallucinating saboteur was just sitting there all I could think was that McCoy or Crusher would have this guy on lock.
And then the other hallucinating person was handed a phaser to go on the manhunt.

 

[Amaris]

I'm against pointlessly destroying machines when you could've found a way to turn it off and towed it out to another stellar nursery some-where else.

Saving lives immediately = pointlessly?
What an odd position to take.

 

[Unique]

I also kinda expected the explosion to just burn more lifeforms and make it worse

Yeah, I needed someone to say why that wouldn’t happen before they pew pewed the thing. Why does the refinery kill them but the exploding refinery doesn’t?

 

[valkyrie013]

Pretty good episode.
Paul is getting better with his Kirk-fu

Nice See in Heimer again in a way.

Just didn't grab me as the other episodes did. Wish Pike belived Uhura sooner. We're out in space and shit happens, don't blow it off and risk the ship..
For being #1 on the call sheet.. Very Anson free season so far.. I know the kid, but that doesn't stop me from wanting more of gim in the episodes.

 

[Amaris]

Yeah, I needed someone to say why that wouldn’t happen before they pew pewed the thing. Why does the refinery kill them but the exploding refinery doesn’t?

Likely for the same reason photons don't hurt us but gamma rays do. These creatures live in a stellar nursery. The fire and heat from a station explosion is nothing compared to what fuels stellar matter.

 

[Kaelef]

My only complaint about this episode is that they gave away the 'reveal' of what was going on in the episode's title. There might've been a bit more weight to the mystery if it hadn't been for that. As it was, it felt like we were waiting for the crew to catch up with the audience.

 

[cooleddie74]

Seeing more Hemmer was heartwarming. He died in bitter cold but he was a great character.

 

[Greg Cox]

Strictly speaking that's never been confirmed. We know money is abolished. We also know that the "poverty is abolished" line is only for the Federation, and that's only if you define escaping poverty strictly speaking as you at least live in a trailer sized home and have a replicator for food and clothing.

Everything else in Trek indicates that resources can and do get scarce, including dilithium and valuable technical equipment like said space station. Not that Pike was wrong to destroy the space station to save the aliens, but it will almost definitely incur a severe resource loss to the Fed. And it's not so much a matter of just replicating the station materials again, as that likely requires a large amount of power (presumably the power required for replicating food for all Fed citizens is already allocated or relatively speaking doesn't require that much power).

Thank you! The whole idea that the 23rd century was some sort of "post-scarcity" economic utopia is very much a modern-day retcon that bears little or no resemblance to the universe we actually saw on TOS back in the day, even though nowadays folks too often talk as though that was one of the defining fundamentals of STAR TREK even back in the sixties.

For the record, the no-money thing was never mentioned on TOS until a throwaway gag in the whale movie, twenty years after the original series aired. Instead TOS indicated that there was no shortage of commerce out on the Final Frontier, with its hardscrabble colonists, struggling miners and prospectors out to strike it rich, merchants, traders, con artists, mail-order brides, etc.

And as for scarcity . . . it wasn't just dilithium that the Federation was constantly on the prowl for, competing with the Klingons for that precious resource, but also pergium, ryetalyn, etc. Indeed, it often seemed as though every third episode had the Enterprise either badly need of some rare element or else rushing to deliver vitally-needed supplies to some remote planet or or outpost that was suffering from a plague or famine or whatever.

The modern notion that, even out in the far reaches of distant space, Starfleet can just magically replicate anything they want, from shuttles to space stations, out of thin air is not what we saw on TOS, which is set after SNW's time. Exploring the final frontier was never supposed to be that easy . . . IMO.

 

[Tallguy]

This week on "As the Starship Turns"... If Buffy taught me anything, it's that I want my soap operas with space ships and rocket launchers!

Kudos Paul Wesley. I'm sorry I doubted you. (I've watched Quality of Mercy a few times. I had reason.) I don't really know what "Kirkness" is, but you're doing it well enough. I guess it's like Anson Mount (or Bruce Greenwood, for that matter) as Pike. Neither are anything like Jeffery Hunter. But they fit the broad strokes of the character well enough. Nobody is going to be Shatner. But I'm up for more of this.

Now it will be interesting to see how they dole him out like a treat. You can't have it become the James T. Kirk show. I think we have one of those already.

Mind you, if we wait another 10 years Wesley will be the same age Shatner was in Wrath of Khan!

This show plays me like a fiddle and I LIKE it. This episode was a nice mix of legacy Trek characters (Kirk, Spock, Uhura, Chapel), the kinda legacies (Pike, Chin-Riley, M'Benga, Sam) and the newbies (Noonian-Singh, Pella) (we miss you Ortegas!) all bouncing off of each other in nice ways. It's like an Avengers movie with delta insignias.

I should NOT have been as excited by Jim and Spock meeting as I was. But I was. And really, if this had been Jim's first appearance and they hadn't done the time travel shenanigans in his previous two episodes I don't think it would have worked.

Does anyone think that in The Tholian Web that Uhura must have been thinking "This seems familiar somehow?"

The one misstep they made (for me) was kind of cross circuiting Uhura and Chin-Riley's stories with Pella. I'm not saying they BOTH can't miss Hemmer and see Pella as an intruder. But it seemed foreshadowed (telegraphed, really) that this was going to be Uhura's problem with Pella. Then Uhura became occupied. And they wrapped up C-R's and Pella's

Now for the subscribers to Nacelles Monthly: DAMN RIGHT there's a Jeffries tube that goes to the engine pods!

OTOH, is there anything IN those engines? We were able to see from the domes to the tail and it was mostly empty space!

I just realized that I'm disappointed that Pella didn't meet Amanda last week.

 

[cooleddie74]

I like Chris Pine, I really do. But Paul Wesley is now my second favorite James T. Kirk and it's not even a competition.

 

[Tallguy]

Thank you! The whole idea that the 23rd century was some sort of "post-scarcity" economic utopia is very much a modern-day retcon that bears little or no resemblance to the universe we actually saw on TOS back in the day, even though nowadays people too often talk as though that was one of the defining fundamentals of STAR TREK even back in the sixties.

**SNIP**

DUDE! We REACH!

I like Chris Pine, I really do. But Paul Wesley is now my second favorite James T. Kirk and it's not even a competition.

Well, Wesley has gotten better material. But... Yeah.