Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x05 - "Charades"

[Captain Jollydark]

LAB GROWN MEAT. That stuff is toxic and Pike the epicurian would never use it.

Hey, I love a good steak and bacon as much as the next guy who eats meat when it can be budgeted in. But I imagine that in the future, on a ship in space, there might be some lab grown hamburger patties etc. It's only logical. I'll bet Vulcans could justify eating meat if they knew no animals were killed for it, (as that is the big sticking point for vegetarians.)

And for the record, it's not toxic. It's just meat grown from the cells of animals who weren't butchered to obtain those cells.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Looks like T’Pring will be following her mother’s path, Complete with servile husband.

 

[Mudd]

Are you sure it isn't time for a colorful metaphor?

 

[fireproof78]

Hey, I love a good steak and bacon as much as the next guy who eats meat when it can be budgeted in. But I imagine that in the future, on a ship in space, there might be some lab grown hamburger patties etc. It's only logical. I'll bet Vulcans could justify eating meat if they knew no animals were killed for it, (as that is the big sticking point for vegetarians.)

And for the record, it's not toxic. It's just meat grown from the cells of animals who weren't butchered to obtain those cells.

Kirk talks about synthetic meatloaf and shaping it like a turkey in Charlie X.

I imagine it looked like the Spam Lamb from MASH.

Looks like T’Pring will be following her mother’s path, Complete with servile husband.

Good for her.

 

[Charles Phipps]

I don’t know that he isn’t into her, he’s just very career minded and he doubles down on that as we see in TOS. He just came down with a case of puppy love for the new, hot blonde nurse and ultimately can’t control himself. I’m guessing T’Pring stays faithful to him despite Spock getting down with Christine and when she finds out she becomes her Mother and decides to make Spock pay. She’s clearly worked on being more open to emotions to meet Spock half way so vindictiveness shouldn’t be that far of a reach.

Spock and Christine don’t come off great here.

Well, we know she doesn't. But she apparently waits seven years to spring it on Spock.

T'Pring in Amok time is like John Hammond in the book Jurassic Park. Ruthless, vicious, entitled. T'Pring in SNW is like Hammond from the moive. Maybe misguided sometimes but otherwise he's Santa Clause with Dinosaurs! How can you not love him? Hijinks!

The characters share a name, a background, and maybe some relationships. But they have nothing to do with each other.

I feel like a huge chunk of Trek's audience missed that T'Pring is also suffering Pon'Farr and thus is no more responsible for her actions than Spock is a violent jealous misogynist.

Chapel aside, Spock's also veering into canon breaking territory in his characterization. He's a full on human lover in the episode's ending, chewing out T'Pril for saying a human couldn't have done the ceremony. But come TOS he's saying stuff like, "Ah yes, one of your Earth emotions".

Spock doesn't resolve his conflicts by TOS and only abandons the path of pure logic by TOS. In real life, the struggle never really ends and so it is reflected in fiction.

Besides, Spock doesn't like humans in TOS. He likes his MOTHER and his crew.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

I prefer TOS impression (prior to ENT and VOY) that Ponn Farr was a Vulcan male hormonal issue. Explains why Sevet is submissive to his wife, he needs her to save his life!

Right, one partner should be in control and manage the aggression. I hated that in Enterprise (a reason I stopped watching) because it was just an excuse to get an attractive actor to run around in her underwear and rub herself on furniture and others. It was so fucking "male gaze" to titillate a presumed viewing demographic.

 

[Yistaan]

I feel like a huge chunk of Trek's audience missed that T'Pring is also suffering Pon'Farr

Not only is that not clear, but someone earlier in this thread said that Voyager established pon farr needs to be relieved with the telepathic bondmate. Which means that T'Pring can no more alleviate pon farr with Stonn than Spock can with Chapel. I presume the plak tow of Amok Time broke that bond, but still the picture is unclear.

 

[cooleddie74]

And then you have T'Pol who almost tries to mate with Phlox in the NX-01 decon chamber because her pon farr cycle is beginning to spin dangerously out of control. She has to be zapped unconscious and then treated in Sickbay.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

And Uhura wouldn't know because she's never seen her face. The one time T'Pring was on the bridge viewscreen in SNW Uhura wasn't present. At least I don't think she was.

She wasn't. They've been very careful about it. She's never been present when T'Pring shows up.

 

[Noname Given]

From what I recall in Amok Time Spock was hoping to be spared the Ponn Farr, so if he never went into 'heat' his marriage to T'Pring would have never taken place.

It may be there are 'levels' of Ponn Far, and he might have experienced it to a lesser degree in his earlier years; but there probably comes a time in a Vulcan's biological clock where it returns with a vengeance, and that's when they know they HAVE to get married/actually mate or die.

Because all Spock says is: "I hoped I would be sparred this..." <--- Meaning the 'irresistible to the point of death' version.

 

[Yistaan]

Ok keep in mind Spock got his first pon farr at the age of 37, probably delayed because of his human side. If Enterprise establishes that Vulcan women get pon farr, then she must have gotten it earlier than Spock's which was already implied in TOS to be late.

Memory Beta (non canon I know but I have nothing else to work with) says that T'Pring is the same age as Spock. Meaning she and Spock are 29 in SNW.

That means next year T'Pring probably goes through pon farr, but does NOT call up Spock to get married. She probably surreptitiously relieves it with Stonn.

So unless next season features T'Pring desperately calling Spock and screaming "Come back to Vulcan and get into bed with me or I'll die!" and Spock is like, "Sorry, I'm sleeping with Chapel", then T'Pring would be the villain here, not Spock.

Also wasn't T'Pol like 60 something in Enterprise? How did she relieve past pon farrs?

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I still can’t get over how much I loved it. The best hour of any TV that I’ve watched this year.

 

[Noname Given]

Chapel aside, Spock's also veering into canon breaking territory in his characterization. He's a full on human lover in the episode's ending, chewing out T'Pril for saying a human couldn't have done the ceremony. But come TOS he's saying stuff like, "Ah yes, one of your Earth emotions".

In that same episode (in fact THAT same sceme), Spock also states:

"That fact that one of my Ancestors married a human female..."
^^^
So yeah, if you want to open that can of worms; TOS S2 Journey To Babel already retconned that aspect as Sarek WASN'T an ancestor in the sense that Sarek was STILL LIVING.

What's next?

Shall we talk about the use of Lasers - (that later all became Phasers); or the 'Time Warp Drive' or the comment that "The Time Barrer's been broken..." <--- All from TOS The Cage but definitely canonized as these were all shown/said in TOS S1 The Menagerie...?

Are you one of those trying to seriously claim TOS canon has been absolutely consistent from day one, and it's only the current NuTrek producers throwing it all out now?

Funny, I thought you claimed you WATHED Star Trek and its many incarnations over the years...guess not if that's your take on its canon consistency.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

I wonder... is the show going to imply or reveal that T'Pring will be under the influence of Sybok? His telepathy was focused on manipulating emotions. Maybe, at this stage (possibly before his search for God) he'll have more vindictive motivations and tries to actually get Spock killed.

I kind of posited the idea of Sybok slowly poisoning the well and by the end of this season we find out how. But maybe that will be next season. Which may not be available to view until 2025 from the way things are going with the strikes.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Not only is that not clear, but someone earlier in this thread said that Voyager established pon farr needs to be relieved with the telepathic bondmate. Which means that T'Pring can no more alleviate pon farr with Stonn than Spock can with Chapel. I presume the plak tow of Amok Time broke that bond, but still the picture is unclear.

VOY wasn't consistent on that as the OTHER Vulcan on Voyager wanted to mate with Torres and she wanted to mate with Paris.

 

[cooleddie74]

Vorik.

 

[Uhura's Song]

I gave it an 8, but probably underclubbed it at least one notch. Real heart in this one. Ethan, Jess, and Mia were fantastic. The twists and turns of Spock and T'Pring is the best written Trek relationship since Kira & Odo. Spock & Chapel made me cheer.

We have had major relationship advances this year for Pike & Batel, Spock & Chapel, and maybe even La'an & Kirk? A setback for Spock & T'Pring.

We sees the upcoming T'Pring pon farr as a possible breaking point for Spock & Chapel.

 

[valkyrie013]

We’re on 7 years now, I ain’t had nothing ‘twixt my nethers weren’t run on batteries. ...

 

[Unique]

We’re on 7 years now, I ain’t had nothing ‘twixt my nethers weren’t run on batteries. ...

Kaylee!

 

[Yistaan]

Kind of off-topic but has it ever been established that M'Benga knows about pon farr? TOS treated it as this secretive thing that even Dr. McCoy didn't know about, yet at the same time M'Benga as far back as his introduction in TOS was established with a Vulcan background and an expert on treating Vulcans. You think if M'Benga were offscreen in Amok Time he'd have explained everything to McCoy early on.