Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x05 - "Charades"

[Unique]

“Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to who someone else is today.”

 

[Jedi Marso]

Nah, it shows them as living beings instead of cardboard cutouts. Kids trying to emulate perfection or idealism is a surefire way to fall so far short that they fall into despair, and give up. You want attainable characters, not perfect ones.

Nobody is going to attain perfection regardless of their trying, so nothing worthy or honorable is achieved by normalizing or endorsing the lack of a moral center. Lowering the bar of acceptable behavior or seeking to accommodate 'the lowest common denominator' only results in a race to the bottom, because when you lower it, it only encourages the next level of moral degradation to be normalized in turn. So I say set the bar high and aim for it, while understanding that nobody is going to get there. At least it'll lift you up trying instead of dragging you down.

Better put, more sucient.

Can't tell you how many times I've worked with kids who are depressed because they are not perfect like their friends, much less their heroes.

Their friends aren't perfect either- that's the first faulty assumption. The second is that their heroes are real, rather than ideals they should be striving for. Like the ideals of Star Trek.

 

[fireproof78]

Who lowered the bar?

Heroes failing is just opportunity for growth. No one lowered the bar.

“Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to who someone else is today.”

This is what I live by, at least for pop culture heroes.
"It's too big a world to be in competition with everyone. The only person who I have to be better than is myself." - Col. Potter.

 

[Unique]

Okay, I’m not finished with it yet, but Amok Time T’Pring would totally stab a man for even thinking about looking at another woman.

 

[Unique]

I’ll be surprised if she doesn’t bare her teeth and hiss at some point.

 

[cooleddie74]

I did laugh that in more than a century the Vulcans still don't have a way to counteract human body odor other than with a nasal suppressant. Federation technology is amazing but there are times it's clearly hit a wall.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Okay, I’m not finished with it yet, but Amok Time T’Pring would totally stab a man for even thinking about looking at another woman.

Definitely a different T'Pring than the SNW version!

I’ll be surprised if she doesn’t bare her teeth and hiss at some point.

She's probably worried that you'll spot her fangs if she does...

 

[El Maestro]

This is disappointing to me. It seems that our hero characters (and Spock is just that- a hero) should be able to uphold the standards and morals that we mere mortals so often fail to do- it is part and parcel of what makes them heroes in the first place. How are kids growing up supposed to have anyone to look up to and try to emulate if their heroes lack basic morality and character?

What has Spock done that is immoral? It’s obvious that he was not acting on his feelings for Christine. Then he and T’Pring (mostly T’Pring) decided to put their relationship on hold. Only then did he act on them. I’m not sure what standard you’re holding him to here.

 

[fireproof78]

I did laugh that in more than a century the Vulcans still don't have a way to counteract human body odor other than with a nasal suppressant. Federation technology is amazing but there are times it's clearly hit a wall.

Well they kept trying essential oils but Vulcans hate that

Definitely a different T'Pring than the SNW version!

Resentment builds over years, not days.

 

[Jedi Marso]

What has Spock done that is immoral? It’s obvious that he was not acting on his feelings for Christine. Then he and T’Pring (mostly T’Pring) decided to put their relationship on hold. Only then did he act on them. I’m not sure what standard you’re holding him to here.

I guess it depends on what 'a break' consists of- this was fairly ambiguous, I thought. Are Spock and T'Pring still engaged or not? If yes, then Spock's actions with Chapel are improper. If no, then he's still on the moral high ground.

 

[Unique]

Definitely a different T'Pring than the SNW version!



She's probably worried that you'll spot her fangs if she does...

I just got to her explanation. It’s official; I hate her.

 

[Jedi Marso]

I just got to her explanation. It’s official; I hate her.

She was the first example we saw in Trek that a Vulcan could be coldly, logically murderous.

 

[cooleddie74]

It's still more than seven years until "Amok Time(TOS)." Plenty of time for T'Pring to stew over everything that's going on and plot her revenge with Stonn as her replacement husband.

 

[Unique]

She was the first example we saw in Trek that a Vulcan could be coldly, logically murderous.

Spock’s reaction when Jim walked out was perfection. Good on T’Pau at the end.

 

[Aragorn]

This thread has turned Spock into the Ross Gellar of Star Trek.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Really finding these Spock hijinks episodes to be quite boring. Hopefully it's the last we see of T'Pring until we get to the "de de de dee dee dee de de de de de"

 

[valden]

This thread has turned Spock into the Ross Gellar of Star Trek.

yep. ,my prediction all along. it is already a twitter joke.

 

[fireproof78]

Oh no. Not humor about Star Trek.

 

[Okmyx]

Security rule #11. Never touch an alien object before a full scan.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Nobody is going to attain perfection regardless of their trying, so nothing worthy or honorable is achieved by normalizing or endorsing the lack of a moral center. Lowering the bar of acceptable behavior or seeking to accommodate 'the lowest common denominator' only results in a race to the bottom, because when you lower it, it only encourages the next level of moral degradation to be normalized in turn. So I say set the bar high and aim for it, while understanding that nobody is going to get there. At least it'll lift you up trying instead of dragging you down.



Their friends aren't perfect either- that's the first faulty assumption. The second is that their heroes are real, rather than ideals they should be striving for. Like the ideals of Star Trek.

But none of what we've seen indicates that they aren't going to regret their choices or strive to be better committed to their ideals in the future. This is only a moment in a long life.

I often think about people in my past who only know me through the worst things I've done. They haven't seen me over the years, don't know how hard I've endeavored to improve, grow, strive to be a better human being. To them I will always be that person who did something stupid, embarrassing, or cruel - the crazy girlfriend, the screaming customer, an awkward social misread, an emotional reaction/action based on wrong information.

I think (or trust) we're seeing something like that. Love, desire, mistakes, growth.