Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x04 - "Among the Lotus Eaters"

[fireproof78]

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*insert old age joke here or a joke about Serveaux's family picture*

Take your pick

 

[JonnyQuest037]

STD (They should have considered the initials before naming the show)

If "STD" bugs you so much, just call it DSC, like half of the people here do.

 

[cooleddie74]

DSC or GTFO.*

*YMMV

 

[fireproof78]

If "STD" bugs you so much, just call it DSC, like half of the people here do.

ST

STNG
STV
STD
STE
STD (again)
STP (struck oil)
STLD
STP (again).
STS.

 

[cooleddie74]

Could be worse. Short Treks gets SHO. And if you don't say "Sho 'nuff" or think "Shorty" after seeing that then you're not doing your work.

 

[Ensign Mas]

A decent episode but nothing special. Liked that the Kalar looked pretty similar to "The Cage" and I liked the appearance of Rigel VII which I'll award the episode an extra point for. Ortega is a good enough character but that she relies on "feelings" is a tiresome trend in modern Trek. I also more and more dislike the vast crew quarters (Scotty's "Bigger? In my day, even an Admiral wouldn't have had such quarters on a starship." from "Relics" comes to mind) and the general aesthetics of the "Enterprise" interiors.

7/10.

 

[fireproof78]

. I also more and more dislike the vast crew quarters (Scotty's "Bigger? In my day, even an Admiral wouldn't have had such quarters on a starship." from "Relics" comes to mind) and the general aesthetics of the "Enterprise" interiors.

Twice the crew will do that. Right now there are only 210 or so vs. the 430 of Kirk's crew.

 

[Unicron]

Happy.


Now, I'm off to find Sasquatch.

I went camping once and was seen by a Sasquatch, but nobody believed him.

 

[CorporalClegg]

No one believed he was capable of such a big feat.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Twice the crew will do that. Right now there are only 210 or so vs. the 430 of Kirk's crew.

I wonder if they will make an episode out of that (the doubling of the crew complement).

As for this episode, my thoughts:

- How was Zac able to provide the Kalar with Starfleet technology like the phaser rifles? He surely didn't have any of those things with him when he was left behind, and the Kalar don't appear to have the technological base to build them from scratch.

- When Spock loses his memory, he has the tablet in his hand (with his personnel file) but he says he can't read it. Any idea why?

 

[Farscape One]

- When Spock loses his memory, why does he say he can't read the tablet in his hand (that has his personnel file)?

Either he forgot english because Vulcan is his first language (since he was raised on Vulcan) or he forgot how to compensate for his dyslexia (DISCO season 2 confirmed he had dyslexia). Or both. Either can easily explain this.

 

[fireproof78]

When Spock loses his memory, he has the tablet in his hand (with his personnel file) but he says he can't 'read it. Any idea why?

A form of aphasia as part of the memory loss.

 

[Noname Given]

I wonder if they will make an episode out of that (the doubling of the crew complement).

As for this episode, my thoughts:

- How was Zac able to provide the Kaylar with Starfleet technology like the phaser rifles? He surely didn't have any of those things with him when he was left behind, and the Kaylar don't appear to have the technological base to build them from scratch.

Watch it again and you'll find that Pike said he may have left equipment behind (he was more concerned with evacuation of the wounded.
Remember they had to use Shuttlecraft to get to/from the Planet surface.)

Also, there was a Starfleet Crate with Phaser Rifles and other equipment in the Castle Throne room.

- When Spock loses his memory, why does he say he can't read the tablet in his hand (that has his personnel file)?

He may have lost the ability to read English/Federation Stadard, and wouldn't know what button to hit to translate it into Vulcan.

 

[Tuskin38]

- How was Zac able to provide the Kalar with Starfleet technology like the phaser rifles? He surely didn't have any of those things with him when he was left behind, and the Kalar don't appear to have the technological base to build them from scratch.

It was explained in the episode.

 

[Nerys Myk]

How was Zac able to provide the Kalar with Starfleet technology like the phaser rifles? He surely didn't have any of those things with him when he was left behind, and the Kalar don't appear to have the technological base to build them from scratch.

He made them out of stone knives and bearskins. That's Yeomaning 101.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Another thing:

How does a sniveling little twerp like Zac get the Kalar warriors to follow him? The man could not command a rubber raft on a calm day, but still he's "High Lord Zacharias"?

Also, am I right in thinking that there's really not much left of the Kalar, other than a few isolated castles? Resulting from the asteroid impact, which wiped out almost all of their civilization?

 

[fireproof78]

*phasers a rock*

Follow me.

 

[Yistaan]

Another thing:

How does a sniveling little twerp like Zac get the Kalar warriors to follow him? The man could not command a rubber raft on a calm day, but still he's "High Lord Zacharias"?

Also, am I right in thinking that there's really not much left of the Kalar, other than a few isolated castles? Resulting from the asteroid impact, which wiped out almost all of their civilization?

Honestly, we probably could've had a deeper episode if the Enterprise saw the delta symbol, they went back, Yeoman Nguyen was there, but not as another Starfleet officer gone bad and not as a dictator. He'll admit that he did break the Prime Directive, but *only* because Pike left him for dead and he traded the Starfleet tech he had at his disposal to get high enough in society to purposely build a Starfleet symbol visible from space so that the Federation would come and rescue him.

We'd then have a deep and ethical dilemma of whether Starfleet has any right to court martial Nguyen considering he only broke the Prime Directive to make a signal to escape the planet, and realistically anyone in his position would have done the same.

Unfortunately they went the easy way out, turned Nguyen into a cartoon villain, and any moral dilemmas or quandaries were glossed over in favor of a beat em up action scene.

 

[fireproof78]

We'd then have a deep and ethical dilemma of whether Starfleet has any right to court martial Nguyen

Yes, they do.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

@Yistaan, I can totally see Zac’s defense attorney making the same argument you just did.

I do hope Starfleet shows some leniency in that regard. Zac did break the Prime Directive but he pretty much had to do so in order to survive. Some mercy would definitely be in order.