I fully admit that I'd just watch Talos and Fury bickering for 6 episodes.
If the rest of this series was just Fury, Talos and Olivia Coleman's character locked in a room together snarking at each other I'd die happy.
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If the rest of this series was just Fury, Talos and Olivia Coleman's character locked in a room together snarking at each other I'd die happy.
I didn't think of it that way at first, but if she is dead, doing this twice in the same show is not a good look for Marvel. Although it sounds like there were some scenes with her in the trailer we haven't seen yet, so it sounds like she might not be dead.
I like Emilia Clarke, and what we've gotten some good stuff with her, so even setting aside that aspect, I'm also hoping she's still alive just because I don't want the character to be gone.
I think the idea behind this is to finally give Fury his own story, since he's been a supporting character in every appearance he's had so far.
Secret War has nothing to do with the Skrulls, it's based on the event series where a whole bunch of universes were destroyed , and all that was left were pieces of different universes which were combined into one world, which was controlled by Dr. Doom. All of the multiversal and Kang stories are setting up Secret Wars, not this.
I had been enjoyed the show up to this point, but I had some issues with this episode. Obviously like I already said, G'iah's death was one issue.
Like a lot of people have said, the sub scenes really didn't work for me. I'm not in the military, so I can't judge first hand, but it did seem a bit strange that the sub's CO didn't work harder to confirm the order to launch the missile, and was so willing to start WWIII. I understand following orders and all of that, but it still seemed like there should have at least been a bit more hesitation on his part.
I'm assuming there must be some significance to the gun, because that seemed a like whole lot of effort just to get it.
I'm really hoping Fury's wife isn't actually loyal to Gravik, it would be nice to see at least one person besides Talos actually survive and stay loyal to Fury.
I'm also disappointed it looks like Rhodey is a Skrull, having all of the damage to Fury's relationships and reputations be due to Gravik and his people's manipulations is going to make it way to quick and easy to undo it all once we get the end of the show.
OK, i may need to re-watch...but are we saying Rhodey is a Skrull based on the voice at the end? Did we have a visual of the "real" RHodey trapped in that room?
I want throw out some crazy theories, based on my observations...
Any (or at least many) Skrulls can imitate an appearance, and even a voice, of another sentient being pretty easily -- just study even some visual and audio (like Talos got). That works for something like their plan to override the missile command -- having a credible sounding voice, and a visual if needed. However, other Skrulls for sure, and maybe others , can detect the fake.
So ONE level of authenticity is staying in a specific form a long time. Did i hear correctly that it could fool another Skrull?
OK, the next level is the Invasion of the Body Snatchers tech.... my thought is that it doesn't merely download factual information... if one is in it too long and too deep, the "host" merges with the Skrull's mind...almost a mind meld gone wrong... so that the Skrull loses themselves in who they are trying to imitate.
That's why he seemed to actually care about his son -- the real human cared about his son so much (password and memories and more), so the Skrull forgot he didn't actually care about the son.
I think that will be revealed later, and be pivotal for the ending.... i wonder if it might get so deep as that we find out the Nick Fury we have been following was actually a Skrull who has been hooked up to Fury's mind.... but Fury is so strong mentally, he was actually able to hijack the Skrull and manipulate him enough to help the real Fury break free.
And circling back to RHodey.... i wish @TREK_GOD_1 were watching... i would love his insight... does he think the conversation between alleged-Skrull-Rhodey and Fury was possible by a Skrull, or only with an authentic African American male? I think Nick Fury could detect BS like he could from a "woke" white person.
We shall see.
OK.. here's a proposed show.... Talos & Fury plus Bucky & Sam , all in one car on a road trip!
I want throw out some crazy theories, based on my observations...
Any (or at least many) Skrulls can imitate an appearance, and even a voice, of another sentient being pretty easily -- just study even some visual and audio (like Talos got). That works for something like their plan to override the missile command -- having a credible sounding voice, and a visual if needed. However, other Skrulls for sure, and maybe others , can detect the fake.
So ONE level of authenticity is staying in a specific form a long time. Did i hear correctly that it could fool another Skrull?
OK, the next level is the Invasion of the Body Snatchers tech.... my thought is that it doesn't merely download factual information... if one is in it too long and too deep, the "host" merges with the Skrull's mind...almost a mind meld gone wrong... so that the Skrull loses themselves in who they are trying to imitate.
That's why he seemed to actually care about his son -- the real human cared about his son so much (password and memories and more), so the Skrull forgot he didn't actually care about the son.
I think that will be revealed later, and be pivotal for the ending.... i wonder if it might get so deep as that we find out the Nick Fury we have been following was actually a Skrull who has been hooked up to Fury's mind.... but Fury is so strong mentally, he was actually able to hijack the Skrull and manipulate him enough to help the real Fury break free.
And circling back to RHodey.... i wish @TREK_GOD_1 were watching... i would love his insight... does he think the conversation between alleged-Skrull-Rhodey and Fury was possible by a Skrull, or only with an authentic African American male? I think Nick Fury could detect BS like he could from a "woke" white person.
We shall see.
OK.. here's a proposed show.... Talos & Fury plus Bucky & Sam , all in one car on a road trip!
So my guess would be, G‘iah underwent superfication off screen just before she fled.
Next episode her new extremis powers manifest and she heals.
Eventually she‘ll go full dracarys on Gravik.
Next episode her new extremis powers manifest and she heals.
Eventually she‘ll go full dracarys on Gravik.
That, or G’iah really IS dead… and whoever’s face she was wearing (Abigail Brand?) wakes up, frees herself from that harness and joins the action while Talos finds out his daughter’s gone and goes total scorched-earth to avenge her.
I'm surprised so many people don't like it. I'm enjoying it (despite its flaws) but I REALLY wish we would get some clarification on what the deal is with Ross. Or at least have one of the characters mention him. Is he at large? In Wakanda? At the Skrull HQ? Working with SWORD/SABER/Fury/Whatever?
He was put in as fanservice, the real Ross is safe in Wakanda and has been since BP2.
Yeah, I brought that up after the first episode and also found it really weird not even Maria said anything after Ross was discovered to be a Skrull, nor didn't say anything about why she thought the real Ross was with her and not in Wakanda. I really hope that doesn't remain a loose end.
I didn't think of that, but it seems plausible. I'm just not sure she'd be Brand though, if she was as much of a power player as she is in the comics, I have a feeling Fury would be aware of her, and would have had some kind to reaction the fact G'iah had taken her face.
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But geez.. does this show have a big enough cast to have anyone survive till the end?
Despite G’iah not being dead, the body count is staggering by now.
And will Gravik say the words “I am Groot!” At some point?
thos was pretty much an escalation episode.
It’s time Fury manages to go on the offensive a bit more and claim at least a little bit of a victory.
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I would expect the President to get offed anyway before this is over, if only to make way for Thunderbolt Ross.
But... damn. Gravik is more than earning his place in Marvel infamy right now.
Hard to say who his biggest problem is now though... Fury, or the Mother of All Dragons.
That talk with her and Talos might as easily have been Xavier and Magneto. She will (and now can) burn down the whole world for spite and revenge...
But... damn. Gravik is more than earning his place in Marvel infamy right now.
Hard to say who his biggest problem is now though... Fury, or the Mother of All Dragons.
That talk with her and Talos might as easily have been Xavier and Magneto. She will (and now can) burn down the whole world for spite and revenge...
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As anticipated, quick flashback showed that G'iah became a Super Skrull is actually alive but...
...fuck, Talos is definitely dead. A noble sacrifice, one that hopefully Fury's surprise reinforcements (whoever they are) will remember, that a a shapeshifting alien helped save the president.
I was a little surprised that Gravik used his Groot abilities so openly...and then only briefly. It's a weird moment of revealing himself to the world (if limited), only to then hold himself back again. His plan for blaming the Russians was blown so there was no need for subterfuge at that point and Extremis would've protected him from going straight at Talos and Fury.
Which leaves the question of what humans who survived the attack saw Gravik and Talos change and how will that effect things going forward. And who are Fury's surprise reinforcements? British special ops since they're in England? Last we saw, Fury and Sonya (who we don't even see this episode, boo!) were still on the ropes.
On a quieter note, I enjoyed the tense conversation between Fury and Priscilla/Varra but it would've had far more weight if we more time to see their relationship instead of just one and a half episodes. The 2012 flashback was nice but it wasn't enough to bring that proper weight.
Lastly, as already expected from the vocal reveal last episode, Rhodey is definitely a Skrull which is a damn shame. Rhodey's firing had so much more weight before that reveal, the one thing the show didn't need to work hard to build on, only to take the carpet away from the one strong pillar it had standing.
...fuck, Talos is definitely dead. A noble sacrifice, one that hopefully Fury's surprise reinforcements (whoever they are) will remember, that a a shapeshifting alien helped save the president.
I was a little surprised that Gravik used his Groot abilities so openly...and then only briefly. It's a weird moment of revealing himself to the world (if limited), only to then hold himself back again. His plan for blaming the Russians was blown so there was no need for subterfuge at that point and Extremis would've protected him from going straight at Talos and Fury.
Which leaves the question of what humans who survived the attack saw Gravik and Talos change and how will that effect things going forward. And who are Fury's surprise reinforcements? British special ops since they're in England? Last we saw, Fury and Sonya (who we don't even see this episode, boo!) were still on the ropes.
On a quieter note, I enjoyed the tense conversation between Fury and Priscilla/Varra but it would've had far more weight if we more time to see their relationship instead of just one and a half episodes. The 2012 flashback was nice but it wasn't enough to bring that proper weight.
Lastly, as already expected from the vocal reveal last episode, Rhodey is definitely a Skrull which is a damn shame. Rhodey's firing had so much more weight before that reveal, the one thing the show didn't need to work hard to build on, only to take the carpet away from the one strong pillar it had standing.
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Another episode, another meh.
- Why was this episode so short? Take away credits and recap, and it was basically a half hour. With such a short season, I can't imagine they want to leave scenes on the cutting room floor.
- The stuff with Fury and his Skrull wife was much better than in the earlier two episodes. Still, if that's her farewell from the season and we don't see her in the final two episodes, this whole subplot has been pointless, particularly considering the episode title came from this thread.
- Fury's scene with Skrull Rhodey made no sense. Rhody should just have shot him on the spot, particularly when Fury made it clear that he knew Rhody was a Skrull. I also feel like the writers let Samuel L. Jackson mug for the camera every time he has a scene with Don Cheadle - basically playing himself rather than being Fury. I know what they're trying to do - have Fury in "black mode" since he's playing against another black actor - but it's not like Sam did this shit with the real Rhodey.
- Also on the subject of Rhodey, I'm shocked this episode just left him chilling safely inside a motorcade while the firefight goes on. He has no purpose in the story any longer since his cover is blown.
- Talos is dead, meaning the best part of the series (the Talos/Fury dynamic of bickering) is over.
- We're certainly in the endgame now. Provided the president isn't in a coma/wakes up quickly, Fury will fill him in, get the President to safety, and the Skrull false flag operation to cause global war is basically over, at least on the U.S. side. I really hope they don't have a lame "Fury on the run with the President" plot that comprises all of Episode 5.
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I'm usually okay with shorter episodes. I subscribe to the belief that something should be as short or as long as it needs to be rather than forcing it into a certain length. But I don't know, this episode felt kind of rushed. Don't get me wrong, I loved the "showdown" (for lack of a better term) between Fury and Priscilla the leads them to "fake shoot" each other. And I get what they were going for with the call back to having them quote that poem again. Problem is, this scene happens too quickly after the 2012 flashback scene establishing the importance of that scene so that rather than some sort of meaningful call-back, it just feels like rewatching a scene from five minutes earlier. Yes, I know there's more than five minutes between the scenes, but you get my point.
Also, there were no scenes between Fury and Talos up until they show up together to the attack on the motorcade. Given the Fury/Talos bitchfests have been the highlight of the series, it feels kind of like being cheated to not have one last such scene in the episode where Talos gets killed. I don't know, I guess you could claim realism, people don't always get the chance to have memorable last conversations before they get killed, and that is one thing this episode has going for it, none of Talos's scenes give that vibe of "oh he's totally gonna die in this episode." Still, would have like one final Fury/Talos scene all the same.
Also, there were no scenes between Fury and Talos up until they show up together to the attack on the motorcade. Given the Fury/Talos bitchfests have been the highlight of the series, it feels kind of like being cheated to not have one last such scene in the episode where Talos gets killed. I don't know, I guess you could claim realism, people don't always get the chance to have memorable last conversations before they get killed, and that is one thing this episode has going for it, none of Talos's scenes give that vibe of "oh he's totally gonna die in this episode." Still, would have like one final Fury/Talos scene all the same.
The ‘memorable last conversation’ was reserved for father and daughter. And G’iah leaving Talos with those last words will haunt her the rest of her days…
I honestly thought Fury at first was one of Gravik's men testing her.
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