Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x04 - "Among the Lotus Eaters"

[cooleddie74]

"I mean...technically we're still adhering to it. Wouldn't you say?" (*Wink*)

 

[IMC Headquarters]

I wasn't a big fan of the ending. Pike violated the Prime Directive yet again in an episode that was supposed to show the 'dangers' of violating the prime directive. Somehow declaring a NATURAL meteor strike was an 'unnatural' impact to the evolution of a species.

The origins of life on Earth may be from a meteor. The ability of humans to evolve and take over the planet is in large part to another meteor wiping out the dominant species on the planet.

Pike altered the development of that planet. They had a way around the memory loss and perhaps in time that exposure would have led to the species developing different mentally because of it.

If I was going to have the meteor removed I would have altered the story have had the meteor actually be an ancient probe by some unknown civilization. The radiation being attempts by the probe to return/report by a signal or something.

That way it would have actually been an artificial impediment to the natural development of this species and tainted by another power so removing it would have been ok... Plus it also would have be a re-emphasis on the dangers of violating the prime directive by showing the damage this other civilization did to this world by some random probe they sent out millenia ago and altered the development of this planet as a result.

Yeah. What if it nudges another asteroid down to the surface to finish the job it started to wipe out all life?

 

[Jedi Marso]

Both IRL and in Trek, saving lives takes priority over equipment. If you can get everything out, great, if you can't, destroy it, but not at the expense of saving lives.

The Prime Directive is supposed to be so sacrosanct that a starship and the lives of her crew are expendable in its defense. But Trek has never played up to that ideal.

 

[Okmyx]

Maybe Zac was responsible for inventory on evacuation?
Don't they need to hold the turbolift handles for the lifts to work?
Don't like the short and tight hairdos.

I had a mother in law and my father pass from dementia. Memory loss is an evil, horrible thing to have. "I'm a pilot - I fly the ship" over and over seems like a perfect response to memory loss.

Loved this episode. Classic Star Trek. Probably the best of the season. 10/10.

 

[cooleddie74]

When even Picard learned to occasionally bend the rule you know the Prime Directive is a regulation designed to be circumvented not only for the sake of creating drama but to show that compassion goes above and beyond bureaucratic words printed on a readout or piece of paper.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Pike says this week in SNW that they were rushing to the Vega colony after the first Rigel mission to ensure Spock didn't become a 4th casualty. Maybe Spock's unique hybrid physiology did require special Vega colony attention for some reason. However, as of the Cage the Rigel incident was 2 weeks ago, Spock was on duty with nothing worse than a limp. Whatever injury Spock suffered, it must have been slow acting that weeks could pass, and also not debilitating enough that he could perform duty as normal throughout the Cage. I'm really wondering what weapon those barbaric, primitive Kalar used, that could produce such a slow acting and specific threat to Spock, now...

It was a poison that made him shout uncontrollably and smile at vibrating flowers. Insidious.

 

[Yistaan]

Yeoman Nguyen clearly went over the deep end even though he kept his memories thanks to the shielding in the castle. Even if he blamed Pike for his exile, he should know La'an and M'Benga had nothing to do with the first Rigel mission and at best keep them in the castle.

When even Picard learned to occasionally bend the rule you know the Prime Directive is a regulation designed to be circumvented not only for the sake of creating drama but to show that compassion goes above and beyond bureaucratic words printed on a readout or piece of paper.

Didn't Kelvin Kirk get demoted for basically saying that word for word?

 

[cooleddie74]

THE KALAR!!!!!

 

[fireproof78]

When even Picard learned to occasionally bend the rule you know the Prime Directive is a regulation designed to be circumvented not only for the sake of creating drama but to show that compassion goes above and beyond bureaucratic words printed on a readout or piece of paper.

Yes, but rules are rules. We must obey the rules at all costs.

It seems unthinkable that any Star Trek hero character would break the rules...

 

[cooleddie74]

James Kirk's slew of illegitimate hybrid kids agree.

 

[Racefuel]

The Prime Directive is supposed to be so sacrosanct that a starship and the lives of her crew are expendable in its defense. But Trek has never played up to that ideal.

Star Trek has never been consistent about anything regarding the Prime Directive/General Order 1.

Ever, at all, about anything. It is as consistent as the script and story needs it to be.

 

[FreezeC77]

Was Zac responsible for outfitting weapons for the away missions? When was the last time you've seen a Star Trek episode where they go to like a iron/bronze age civilization and every crew member is packing phase rifles?

 

[cooleddie74]

Phlox and Archer worried so much about a possible future rule in 2152 that it'd be nice to tell them: "Don't worry. It won't matter all that much."

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Is it you or is it a cast sheet? We may never know.

It's me, cast sheets don't care about a persons height.

 

[Verteron]

Muscle memory is a hell of a thing.

There can be situations where personal memories are blocked but ability to talk, walk etc. remain, particularly when on certain cocktails of anaesthetic drugs.

Example:

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This guy can still speak English and remembers concepts like mother, father, sister, and dog, but doesn't remember he has them. But he remembers Bane from Batman!

While we can't recreate reliably, it shows it's possible. I don't see it being much of a leap to imagine some weird radiation that blocks a particular neurotransmitter or type of pathway but not others, causing this effect.

 

[Verteron]

Although it was nothing special and nothing we haven't seen before, I enjoyed this episode.

They are definitely running the Star Trek tropes in these first few episodes, but I really don't mind when they do it this well. I've seen courtroom dramas, time travel history stuff, Prime Directive violations, and memory loss episodes before in Trek, but each of the writers has put a slightly new spin on it and they're acted well with stunning visuals.

I am a simple Trekkie but a happy Trekkie.

 

[Charles Phipps]

The Prime Directive is supposed to be so sacrosanct that a starship and the lives of her crew are expendable in its defense. But Trek has never played up to that ideal.

Funny fact, this is probably the first time that a violator of the Prime Directive will probably serve some jail time.

 

[Noname Given]

Starfleet's always slow to respond. In TNG's "Angel One" some Federation citizens got stranded on Angel One and by the time Picard and crew arrived, they had been on the planet long enough to take wives.

TOS S2 Bread And Circuses. 0n 'routine patrol' Kirk and Spock find wreckage of the SS Beagle that has been drifting for 6 years; and based on the direction it's been drifting, they extrapolate exactly the star system and planet it was near when the 'disaster' happened.

But from a point it took the wreckage 6 years to reach, Chekov's next line after stating where it drifted from is: "We should be there in seconds..."

So yeah, Star Fleet is well known for being slow to follow up on lost ships and personal.

 

[Verteron]

Star Trek has never been consistent about anything regarding the Prime Directive/General Order 1.

Actually it has been consistent - every Captain of every series has been flexible with the Prime Directive when lives could be saved (either the locals, or the crew) and the cultural contamination wouldn't be too detrimental.

Starfleet doesn't want officers who will blindly follow orders without analyzing the situation. Your actions were appropriate for the circumstances.

- Jean-Luc Picard

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Starfleet's always slow to respond. In TNG's "Angel One" some Federation citizens got stranded on Angel One and by the time Picard and crew arrived, they had been on the planet long enough to take wives.

Or the wives took them.