Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"
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The whole thing was theatre.
They got La'an to accept a suicide mission with barely any justification or instruction using a dumbo piece of technology, Baby's first omni, that required zero training to use, that an actual Time Agent would not find useful since it could not steer.
It had one button.
Sarah said that computers make decisions on how time travel, missions work. You put a specific person in a specific time and place to perform one goal that has a billion knock on effects, which creates a good future, as far as the owner of the computer is concerned.
###k.
That's Quantum Leap.
But the point is that People in the future, don't let people make decisions.
I thoroughly enjoyed this one. Very interesting characterisation and the first 3 episodes have had a strong character focus while giving most of the rest of the ensemble minor supporting roles. Very interesting to see La'an, a security officer who must have lost people in the past, crying over someone she had know for a day because, for the first time, she had been able to divest herself of that chip on her shoulder. Can't help wondering why she hasn't just changed her name mind you.
Obviously, I loathe the 'time has been overwritten approach' to time travel episodes and I think the temporal police are completely pointless in a multiverse but I guess the universe we live in is just the one where they interfere.
I don't know if making Kirk slightly ignorant was very deliberate, given his different background but I suspect so since they included some literary knowledge and chess skills as a clear nod to his TOS character. A jock, Kirk was not - take note NuTrek
Obviously, I loathe the 'time has been overwritten approach' to time travel episodes and I think the temporal police are completely pointless in a multiverse but I guess the universe we live in is just the one where they interfere.
I don't know if making Kirk slightly ignorant was very deliberate, given his different background but I suspect so since they included some literary knowledge and chess skills as a clear nod to his TOS character. A jock, Kirk was not - take note NuTrek
100% all of this. I'm impressed that they tend to do just the right amount of subtle fan service most of the time. Some blatant fan service. And then spoon on some canon-busting nonsense on top lol.I wasn't sure how this ep would go, as time travel can get... weird... and I wasn't that impressed with Wesley's Kirk last time. Nice of SNW to completely subvert my worries!
Christina Chong was *amazing*. Following on last week's episode, with her internalized fear of being/becoming a monster, this was a brilliant exploration of why she keeps herself somewhat apart from everyone else. Watching this tough, no-nonsense women crying her eyes out at the end truly broke my heart.
I also loved watching a little of her daily interactions and frustrations. I totally get working out to let off steam!
Wesley grew on me here. I saw lots of little things that made him "more Kirk-like" for me: the chess games, the hot dogs, teasing La'an about not knowing Hawthorne, his "bluff" to Sera...
Damn. I surprised myself by feeling all the feels when this Kirk died.
So nice to see Toronto instead of the Usual Locations.
Loved them both coming out of the dressing room in the same outfit!
Looking for Pelia in Vermont was a nice Chekhov's Law moment.
"Institute for Cultural Advancement" made me think that whoever originally created Khan and his "siblings" were probably trying to make humanity better. Instead of super soldiers, they may have been trying to create leaders who could move our species forward. I guess they actually did, but not the way they had in mind.
SNW is consistently a joy to watch. And I value that quite highly.
I cannot hear/read the word "canon" now in the same way.
Watch Charlie X - he was more of a tights man.
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This episode, for me, really cemented La'an as one of the most interesting and complex characters in SNW.
Let's start with her relationship to her surname. You could easily ask why, instead of dealing with people's immediate reactions her whole life, she doesn't just change her name. But if she's afraid that something of Khan's character is hidden within her, the decision makes sense on two levels. First, it's a constant reminder to herself to be vigilant -- there are shades of Worf here, the way he kept himself tightly under control because of the childhood experience of underestimating his own strength and causing another child's death, except that for La'an it isn't an incident from her past, but rather an imagined future that she's afraid of. Second, whether on a conscious or unconscious level, she may be trying to discourage others from trusting her too completely.
Then there's her relationship with the alternate (Jim) Kirk and the effect it has on her. If you're going to have a character like La'an completely break down the way she does at the end of this episode and have it not seem forced or ridiculous, you have to really EARN the moment, and luckily this episode did. The impact of him having no reaction whatsoever to her name -- for probably the first time in her adult life -- was probably something she could never have predicted. For her entire adult life, and probably most of her childhood too, she's probably never experienced letting her guard down around someone. The fact that he not only died but also kind of never even existed, and that his doppelganger exists but she can't say anything about the experience to him, makes the ending an incredibly poignant moment.
Let's start with her relationship to her surname. You could easily ask why, instead of dealing with people's immediate reactions her whole life, she doesn't just change her name. But if she's afraid that something of Khan's character is hidden within her, the decision makes sense on two levels. First, it's a constant reminder to herself to be vigilant -- there are shades of Worf here, the way he kept himself tightly under control because of the childhood experience of underestimating his own strength and causing another child's death, except that for La'an it isn't an incident from her past, but rather an imagined future that she's afraid of. Second, whether on a conscious or unconscious level, she may be trying to discourage others from trusting her too completely.
Then there's her relationship with the alternate (Jim) Kirk and the effect it has on her. If you're going to have a character like La'an completely break down the way she does at the end of this episode and have it not seem forced or ridiculous, you have to really EARN the moment, and luckily this episode did. The impact of him having no reaction whatsoever to her name -- for probably the first time in her adult life -- was probably something she could never have predicted. For her entire adult life, and probably most of her childhood too, she's probably never experienced letting her guard down around someone. The fact that he not only died but also kind of never even existed, and that his doppelganger exists but she can't say anything about the experience to him, makes the ending an incredibly poignant moment.
We really need more than just 10 episodes per season. We're getting screwed over by not getting a shot at more per-season quality like this.
Hell no! I at least feel like I can keep up on this stuff. Rather they leave and have me wanting them to stay, than overstay their welcome.
It wasn't earned. Their "relationship" was rushed and unbelievable, but I give props for Paul and Christina for top tier acting through it anyway.
Second, I cannot remotely believe that she's never encountered anyone before who didn't recognize her name. The galaxy is more than just humans. Vulcans would not show any outward prejudice towards her (although we know they are capable of it subtly). Andorians, Denobulans, Tellarites, and definitely Orions would likely not recognize it and probably wouldn't care, and in regards to the latter definitely wouldn't care.
Proof? TOS--The Savage Curtain:
Spock: Surak!
Kirk: Who?
That's right, James T. Kirk, captain of the flagship of Starfleet, had no idea who Surak was. You know, the founder of Vulcan society that's a cofounder of the Fed, and the reason why Vulcans are logical. If Kirk had no idea who Surak was, I doubt any of the other alien species in the Fed would know who Khan was immediately unless they had to look it up on the equivalent of the internet.
Humans focus on the negative. Part of our survival instinct. So, it's not that no one ever did. It's that La'an focused on the negative; like humans do.
Enjoyable episode. I just wish they would commit...are they rebooting so the eugenics wars happen mid 21st century due to the temporal wars or was the idea they happened in the 1990s a mistake due to records being destroyed due to ww3 and perhaps emp pulses wiping computers?
On a different note I really hope they have Pelia mention living in NY in the 1970s and 80s married to a mechanic at a taxi cab company
On a different note I really hope they have Pelia mention living in NY in the 1970s and 80s married to a mechanic at a taxi cab company
As a pioneer of Star Trek online commentary I least like to have an opinion. This one flummoxed me.
I like Lan'an a lot. Lots of time for her.
I see no point in Kirk. I appreciate the actor doesn't want to do an impression but he is Harriman to a T. Not kirk.
She could have gone with another cast member. Give them their airtime.
This felt like a bonus webisode, divorced from the main show. But I appreciate it's probably financially beneficial as you can film this in parallel.
Sadly it's still not boldy going. Or exploring strange new worlds. These divergences were welcome in 26 episode seasons. Here, not so much.
I like Lan'an a lot. Lots of time for her.
I see no point in Kirk. I appreciate the actor doesn't want to do an impression but he is Harriman to a T. Not kirk.
She could have gone with another cast member. Give them their airtime.
This felt like a bonus webisode, divorced from the main show. But I appreciate it's probably financially beneficial as you can film this in parallel.
Sadly it's still not boldy going. Or exploring strange new worlds. These divergences were welcome in 26 episode seasons. Here, not so much.
So gymnastics?
He just wants to wipe..(*eyes rolls back inside head*)
YOU OUT.
YOU OUT.
Sure it is. Just not worlds you want to see or in a direction you like.
7/10 for me. I've like La'an since the beginning, I really like her now, it's good to see her character develop.
Still don't care for the actor who plays Kirk. Poor casting at its best. If by some chance this series sets up a Kirk series, I sure hope he's recast.
Still don't care for the actor who plays Kirk. Poor casting at its best. If by some chance this series sets up a Kirk series, I sure hope he's recast.
I suppose a good deal of Kirk-Fu did involve wrastling when it didn't involve a gert rocky phallice. Kirk was a complicated guy I guess. A lover AND a fighter. An athlete AND a scholar. A genius AND a dumb ass. But always sarcastic. Except when he wasn't.
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