Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

[fireproof78]

Or is it because the writers that Voyager episode didn't really care about Khan and weren't thinking about how their story would impact a spinoff 20 years later. lol

It's because Trek is connected to our future. It's always treated it that way.

 

[NCC-73515]

We now know that Khan is locked away at the Royal Ontario Museum on Bloor, always suspected this... The Aga Khan museum may have been too obvious.

It's the Khanservatory of Music

 

[cooleddie74]

I Khan't even.

 

[DaveyNY]

This Khan't be happening again.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Singh???

 

[Tallguy]

Singh 2! The one with Bono!

 

[DaveyNY]

Singh a Songh

 

[Haggis and tatties]

Quite a emotional episide, i am shakakhan up a bit. .............no?

I'l get me coat.

 

[cooleddie74]

Singh out loud, Singhs rule strong.

Singh of warfare not bad, Singh of conquest not sad.

 

[DaveyNY]

Quite a emotional episide, i am shakakhan up a bit. .............no?

I'l get me coat.

I Feel For You

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The puns....I'm so proud.... Linky

On a more serious matter: I'm more and more chill about this episode every time I think of it. Now that they've just come right out and admitted that SNW and its ilk take place in an alternate timeline, it's a lot easier to deal with.

And as @Christopher pointed out in his (excellent) DTI novels, events can't "un-happen". That's not how temporal mechanics works. No matter whether the TOS timeline has actually been overwritten - as opposed to branched off - it still happened. The events of THAT timeline were necessary for THIS one to occur. So there are no losers here.

 

[Trekker4747]

In this, she was able to play vulnerable, sexy (nipples and panty shots)...

I ain't complaining!

 

[jackoverfull]

There were some wonky Time travel logic elements, as discussed earlier... why does Peck's Spock even exist in the altered timeline?

just because the federation doesn’t exist doesn’t mean Sarek and Amanda can’t meet and have children. Moreover, United Earth and Vulcan obviously are in good terms, even if not allies, so it stands to reason for Vulcan to have an embassy on Mars (or whatever their capital is), that ambassador being Sarek. Problem solved.

 

[Jeyl]

The monks on Borath keep a tight lid on Klingon time travel.

That's literally this new era of Star Trek's answer to EVERYTHING that doesn't fit with the rest of the franchise. Encounter the Mirror Universe? Spock has a sister? Klingons have time travel? Section 31? An evil AI bent on galactic destruction? Pike becoming a vegetable? The USS Discovery traveling to the future? Romulans attacking our outposts? Traveling back in time with an alternate Kirk?

Keep it a secret.

It's almost like you can have anything happen in this "prequel" series and not worry about it not fitting in with the rest of the franchise so long as characters keep it a secret. This is more tedious and lazy than technobabble on it's worst day.

Nope. He's the bad guy who commandeered the ship, attempted to murder the captain, threatened to kill the bridge crew and planned to use the ship to create an empire.

Yet even after all that, Captain Kirk still considers it a "waste" to put Khan and his people through reorientation. You may think Khan has always been a monster thanks to Into Darkness and Strange New Worlds, but in my book, he's still a tragic character.

Spock doesn't say "If Khan were successful in building his empire, he will undoubtedly create a society that looks down on those they consider inferior and will no doubt commit acts of genocide across the galaxy should his Empire ever create space travel." He says "It would be interesting, Captain, to return to that world in a hundred years and to learn what crop has sprung from the seed you planted today."

You don't talk like that about mass murderers.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Spock doesn't say "If Khan were successful in building his empire, he will undoubtedly create a society that looks down on those they consider inferior and will no doubt commit acts of genocide across the galaxy should his Empire ever create space travel."

He doesn't need to. Because it's obvious that's what will happen.

Indeed, in STID, it's specifically said that Khan and his ilk were literally out to exterminate anyone who isn't genetically Augmented like them! If that's not mass murder, I don't know what is.

 

[cooleddie74]

Sarek still exists in the Mirror Universe and that reality is even more divergent from 21st century Earth than what we saw this week. A lot moreso. So yeah, I can totally buy both Spock and Sarek being somewhat important figures of Vulcan in this altered timeline.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

Ok well, Christina delivers her lines too fast. Other than that it just looks like a lead in episode. It's the required time travel ep.

 

[TerryTrek]

just because the federation doesn’t exist doesn’t mean Sarek and Amanda can’t meet and have children. Moreover, United Earth and Vulcan obviously are in good terms, even if not allies, so it stands to reason for Vulcan to have an embassy on Mars (or whatever their capital is), that ambassador being Sarek. Problem solved.

Nah, they aren't on good terms or allies. Kirk accused Spock of 'violating their sovereign territory.' And Kirk mentions how he does not want to get involved in the Vulcan/Romulan war, even as Vulcan is about to be destroyed.

It certainly didn't play out like Humans and Vulcans had a close history together in this timeline.

 

[fireproof78]

You don't talk like that about mass murderers.

They just compliment Nazi Germany.

 

[ichab]

This completely ignores the fact that several previous Trek shows have put that entire premise into question.
You want to condemn the SNW writers when in actuality it was the Berman Era that did it and SNW is just following up on that.

Which Trek shows from the Berman era put those facts in question? Which episodes?