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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x02 - "Ad Astra Per Aspera"

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Better than last weeks by far, for the most part it hit. I really liked the earlier scenes and build up, but the conclusion where they just point to a rule in a book felt a little bit off when combined with the speech about how great laws are and the whole Illyrian culture and its assimilation into the Federation sounded... very troubling. I think it falls well below the classics, as well as mostly missing with its allegory but it was good nonetheless.
 
No one has banned the circumcision of newborn baby boys because it is a cultural practice.
They tried banning it in Germany when not medically necessary, but quickly made it legal again under heavy religious pressure (just for boys though).

Can you be more specific? The "treatment" "worked" but considering how horrified Riker is about to the whole situation I can't see how you get the episode sanctioning brainwashing from that. Brainwashing "works" sometimes in real life too.
So...you don't think it sanctioned the brainwashing therapy to which Soren was subjected? Because it kinda did.
Some people don't like it because it wasn't a happy end :shrug:
 
The episode was good courtroom drama with allusions to Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and maybe even racial passing. My only gripe is that it underscores how much Star Trek was behind the curb in discussing the topic of homosexuality. If it aired in the 90s, it would have probably been remembered with the same high regard as Measure of a Man. There are some solid performances, especially from Yetide Badaki. I rated it a 7/10, but its really more a 7.5 from me.
 
The dialogue established that they were divided into Illyrians who gave up genetic manipulation and Illyrians who still practised it. They're all still Illyrians which is why it's odd that Starfleet Medical never noticed before.

I was distracted, paying less than perfect attention, so I've had to amend myself a couple times... But there's a couple holes in her story.

1. She is not human and does not look like what we think Illyrians looks like, although I suspect the Ilyrians from Enterprise were modified for space travel, rather than dedicating more power to the deflector shields, or building better deflector shields.

2. Her colony was inducted into the Federation as a colony world, and not a member world, which means that it did not get a vote on the Federation Council, and a hundred million mostly human colonists probably showed up to colonise the colony once it was formally admitted, displacing the original colonsts and their culture.

3. I think the Ilyrians changed their name when they gave up gene modifying, which is how she was so vague about who the not Ilyerians are who got half the planet, when her lot were definitely still the formerly dominant species on that planet.

4. Why would a bunch of aliens who were Ilyerians one or two generations ago, use human slurs that would offend their own grandparents?

5. Did the new Federation Colonists outnumber the semi-native population by double or triple, which is why they were able to impress their value system on the Ilyrians and the not Ilyrians anymores, after forcing a foreign legal code on them

6. Was Una trying to pass for human when she joined Starfleet, or was she trying to pass for an Ilyrian, who had renamed their species, and given up genetic modifications? Politically different, genetically the same.
 
If you say so. I for one am not really interested in continuing this conversation here, since it has nothing to do with the thread topic. If you want to continue this in a PM, feel free to do so.
No thanks. I'd rather talk about the episodes I've watched with someone who has also watched them.
 
Beyond simply their being courtroom dramas in which the future career in Starfleet of a main character is at stake, something also in common with "Court Martial" and "The Menagerie," I don't see a parallel between "The Measure Of A Man" and "Ad Astra per Aspera."
 
Beyond simply their being courtroom dramas in which the future career in Starfleet of a main character is at stake, something also in common with "Court Martial" and "The Menagerie," I don't see a parallel between "The Measure Of A Man" and "Ad Astra per Aspera."

Is Data a real person allowed to leave Starfleet vs. Is Una a real person allowed to serve in Starfleet.
 
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But female circumcision is banned (at least I'm pretty sure it is), and is widely criticized in the places it is still practiced.
I'm Jewish, so in my culture male infant circumcision is routine. Huge difference between male and female circumcision with a lot worse side effects for FGM
The dialogue established that they were divided into Illyrians who gave up genetic manipulation and Illyrians who still practised it. They're all still Illyrians which is why it's odd that Starfleet Medical never noticed before.
Were the Illyrians from SNW biologically humans who practiced gene modification, or are they an alien species altogether?
 
I'm Jewish, so in my culture male infant circumcision is routine. Huge difference between male and female circumcision with a lot worse side effects for FGM

Were the Illyrians from SNW biologically humans who practiced gene modification, or are they an alien species altogether?

Aliens with forehead bumps who met Archer in the Delphic Expanse, a long time ago.
 
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