But if you can get your augmented kid into Starfleet, no one will really care in the end. So why bother having a rule if Starfleet is ok breaking it?
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x01 - "The Broken Circle"
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But if you can get your augmented kid into Starfleet, no one will really care in the end. So why bother having a rule if Starfleet is ok breaking it?
What is that supposed to mean?
Nothing in the episode said it was illegal.
Who? Other than Una, no one does. But her powers just seem to be a really good immune system.
What bothered me more about the rather silly fight scene was the way the apprehended Klingon acted. No Klingon warrior would have given in and been intimidated by the threat or violence or even death. I think any Klingon would have taken that information to the grave. I guess, however, he might just have been a lousy Klingon, but it didn’t sit right.
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They’ve become caricatures of their previous selves. Probably peaked around the middle of TNGs run. Then got super watered down in DS9. Now, they’re almost there for comedic value.
So why aren’t the Klingons juicing?
Who is laughing at the Klingons? If something is there for comedic value I usually laugh.
I hated the Klingons throughout TNG and most of DS9, finding them annoying, their ship designs painful, and the nearly singular caricature of "honor bound warrior" trope frustrating. So, I am not seeing the same issue here with the Klingons. These are not warriors, these are not honor bound members of the military. These might be washouts, people with no house, or poor people needing work.
I hated the Klingons throughout TNG and most of DS9, finding them annoying, their ship designs painful, and the nearly singular caricature of "honor bound warrior" trope frustrating. So, I am not seeing the same issue here with the Klingons. These are not warriors, these are not honor bound members of the military. These might be washouts, people with no house, or poor people needing work.
You're right. But all the facial expressions, the tone in which the actors convey their dialogue, basically scream this is an illegal substance. If it isn't, then it's a massive audience misdirection which serves no narrative purpose (especially since M'Benga and Chapel were alone when discussing the drug and had no one to pretend to)
Can I say that has no motivation for anyone anywhere? No. But people here have been gracious to give you reasons so read them. Learn from them before getting your dog whistle out. I mean Trek... Trek has had brilliant portrayals of women and people of colour now for ages. I don't think it's a bastion for right-wing hate gangs watching it. Shit man. You'd have six fucking decades of posts here of people upset over the Sisko family, Kira kicking ass, Ro Laren being amazing, Janeway being an amazing captain et al.
You don't see people piling into them because people buy into good narratives. I mean Kira must be one of the most loved characters of Trek and is kick-ass.
You do like we've seen with things around Terminator and other movies. Sarah Connor a poster child of amazing female characters. Latest movie is shit, or you have a movie with a shit female lead. "You must be a misogynist." Shut down conversation.
You're picking out this one lousy scene of all things to defend and weaponising it with pretending to care about representation, making a defence that was not only not needed but is actually reductive and patronising to the cast.
In summary the latest view is if lots of fans keep saying the same thing like this, we're racists and misogynistic.
Rather than the occam's razor view of it just wasn't a scene to our liking.
"I don't like a scene." Fair.
"I don't like a scene because a nurse should not fight." Strange.
"I don't like a scene because it's not Star Trek." Just flat wrong.
"I don't like a scene because a nurse should not fight." Strange.
"I don't like a scene because it's not Star Trek." Just flat wrong.
Oh, how I wish that were true.
Taking a step back, if it does look as though both characters operated as combat medics, that could explain their combat skills. I still find that less convincing for Chapel who, as a civilian should not have been posted as a combat medic. She might have been a researcher who was drafted in during an emergency, or at a research station near enough to the front to want to be sure she could defend herself. It sounds anecdotally as if they may both have been affiliated with weapons research. I am down with a bit of ptsd but I hope they aren't going to go down yet another unethical black ops plot. SNW is meant to be the more optimistic Trek show. It would be a shame to dig too deeply away from that.
They won't.
However, like DS9, they may show that war leads to some uncomfortable realities. That doesn't make it less optimistic. That makes it looking at these hard things and saying "How do we move past it?"
It's interesting, studying history from time to time, and one of the big reasons for a surge in biker gang clubs was several veterans feeling abandoned in the 60s and getting together to find purpose again because society didn't feel right to them. Contrast that to my uncle, 3 tours in Vietnam, who was able to stay in the military, able to transition from military life to civilian life and try and live with some of the horrible things he had done with support.
These two are war veterans, in some fashion (civilian military aid, researcher in the wrong place and wrong time; war and trauma are not discriminate). There skills and stories are pretty appropriate and fit with what Trek has done in the past.
Agreed that Turkana and Ornara didn't have the resources to combat addiction, but Turkana used to be a Federation colony. Clearly, something happened that made them a failed colony and the drugs, gangs, and all the other problems became commonplace. You'd think they would have kept at least the medical side of what they got from the Federation around after all that happened and used the knowledge against addictions. (Since we don't know how their government fell apart, we can only speculate.)
And my point about Raffi being an addict on Earth was that drug addictions still happened. Even in the paradise that is Earth. Whether the drugs she took were legal or not is immaterial. So yes, drug addictions are apparently still a thing in the 25th century, so that can certainly be an issue from the 2200s until that time.
And about having drugs all being legalized... look at Portland. By decriminalizing drugs, you get a sharp spike in crime. Theft, assaults, and murders related to addicts getting the money to get their next fix is a big problem. Granted, that happens anyway, but the degree it occurs when you decriminalize drugs is hard to ignore.
And frankly, drug dealers are predators... they are preying on people with items that gets you high and addicted. They are like tobacco companies... cigarettes have been known to cause all sorts of medical problems, not the least of which is extremely high addiction, for the users and people around them for DECADES. They are another kind of predator because their product has absolutely ZERO positives and they get people addicted so they can just keep buying more and more.
Saying you are fine with drugs being decriminalized is akin to saying you are fine with predators going after people.
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I don't know about Portland. But I do know about European countries that decriminalized drugs, and crimes there decreased statistically.
I'd guess there are other socioeconomic factors that might have played a role in Portland? again, I don't know, just a guess, because it is very atypical
And being super strong. Did you not see her whoop La'an and carry folks atound the ship last season?
What bothered me wasn't the fact Chapel (who has kicked butt before) & M'benga were kicking Klingon butt with the aid of some green goo that never gets explained, but that fact that no one just shot them instead of going hand to hand all the time (yes, they worked in a couple shots).
At some point, you have to go Indiana Jones and just shoot them.
There almost certainly are differences socioeconomically between Portland and Europe, but it's hard to ignore the rise in crime.
Personally, I don't want drugs decriminalized down here... no need to experiment with that idea here.