It shows that even the creator couldn't pull it off right, meaning it might just be an inherently problematic thing to do "proper" Sequels to Indiana Jones and Star Wars in the modern day.
Indiana Jones 5. It's official.
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It shows that even the creator couldn't pull it off right, meaning it might just be an inherently problematic thing to do "proper" Sequels to Indiana Jones and Star Wars in the modern day.
She's front and center of all the garbage produced in the past ten years. Now she's moved onto Indiana Jones. At some point, you need to stop rewarding failure.
Clearly not failed enough.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the notion of "failure."
The only creative failure for me has been The Rise of Skywalker but it was still a financial success. I've either liked or loved everything else that has been produced and I know I'm not the only one.
But what do I know? I'm one of five people who genuinely enjoys almost the entirety of The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
It seems like really 'parsing fine' to differentiate between museum/university backed 'treasure hunters' and private 'treasure hunters'.
Sorta reminds me of the privateer vs pirate distinction.
If it was a financial success, they wouldn't have mothballed the movies. Let's not even bring up the Han Solo movie. Now she's working her magic with Indiana Jones, the third "final send off" for the character in a series with only five movies.
Like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.
In the words of Picard's sister-in-law, "This is a very old argument."
Hot takes about how Indiana Jones is a bad (immoral) and/or bad (reckless) archaeologist have been made since 1981. Putting one out there now seems both belated and redundant.
Hot takes about how Indiana Jones is a bad (immoral) and/or bad (reckless) archaeologist have been made since 1981. Putting one out there now seems both belated and redundant.
Three of the five movies in the Shaft Cinematic Universe are called Shaft. I think we can handle this.
They weren't going to make the Star Wars Sequels be all about the old characters and only them with the new characters being their useless sidekicks (like in Cobra Kai). Folks who expected the Sequels to be all about the OT characters (because the EU Novels did that due to being gutless and incompetent stories) were deluding themselves.
And the "Fans" are re-evaluating the Solo movie and are realizing they were too harsh on it because they couldn't get by anyone but Ford playing Han. So maybe the "fans" can finally learn from THEIR mistakes.
If you traveled back in time to the 1970s or 80s and told them one day a movie could make a billion dollars and still be considered a failure, they would think you had escaped from a mental hospital
Why? Not everyone is going to regard film characters the same over their life time. I'm quite certain I wanted to be an archeologist for a time and even dated one. But, my love of Indiana Jones grows quite cool now. It happens.
I mean, I did but that's beside the point.
I enjoyed "Crystal Skulls". Actually, I thought it was a bit more original than "The Last Crusade". I liked the 1989 Indy movie, as well. But it's my least favorite of the franchise.
I detest "The Rise of Skywalker". But I wouldn't call it a box office failure. I loved "Solo". I still do. But I would call it a box office failure.
Lucas' failures? Which are what?
I can only think of one garbage movie.
I also think people aren't quite aware of what Kathleen Kennedy's job actually is. She's a producer, not a writer or director. Her job is basically to hire people to make a movie or TV show happen. And since Lucasfilm is part of Disney, she doesn't even get to have final say over whether a particular IP should be given a rest or not. Disney paid $ 4 billion for Lucasfilm, and that was because of the IP attached. She can't tell Disney that they probably shouldn't make this much Star Wars, or they shouldn't do something with the Indiana Jones IP. Well, yes, okay, she can tell Disney that, but Disney doesn't need to listen. Because, if Disney doesn't like what they hear, they can fire her and get somebody else. Disney+ needs shows, so make a damn Boba Fett thing already, and quick. Some fans didn't like what your last director did to his Star Wars movie, so get the other guy back, and no, you can't have more time, the movie has to come out when the toys are on shelves. And get Ford to agree to do another Indiana Jones, we paid for that IP and we want to see something for it. Hey, Kathleen, it's me, Iger, I'm back, and the last guy kind of overdid it with the orders, so cancel a lot of what your people have been working on, we need to save some money.
Also, yes, Rise of Skywalker was crap, but as has been pointed out, it still made a shitload of money. It's the toys for the new trilogy that didn't sell, because people didn't quite like the new characters.
Meanwhile, those critics tend to forget that Rogue One, The Mandalorian, or Andor also happened with Kennedy in charge. But of course there, she's suddenly just a producer and she didn't have anything to do with the success.
Also, yes, Rise of Skywalker was crap, but as has been pointed out, it still made a shitload of money. It's the toys for the new trilogy that didn't sell, because people didn't quite like the new characters.
Meanwhile, those critics tend to forget that Rogue One, The Mandalorian, or Andor also happened with Kennedy in charge. But of course there, she's suddenly just a producer and she didn't have anything to do with the success.
Last Jedi is the best SW movie. 
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