Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

[Bad Thoughts]

Just wondering about the frontier thing. It's a commonly used word and it's used correctly in star trek. But you're welcome to your opinion

The meaning of frontier is clear in so far as it defines the relationship between a metropole and a distant territory. However, the politics of that relationship gives context. What does it mean to have a frontier? Support the ethnic minorities in your realm? Land as a release valve for overpopulation? Establish trading posts or forts? Impose concepts of land ownership? Fund efforts of people of the metropole to settle? Some meanings are more benign than others.

 

[HotRod]

Impressive! as of now, this episode accumulated 184 ratings with the highest score. Thats more than the total number of votes DISCO 04x13 received in total.

 

[Racefuel]

Maybe more people just wanted to vote to add to the chaos

 

[fireproof78]

Maybe more people just wanted to vote to add to the chaos

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Also, popularity is capricious.

 

[TRON JA307020]

The meaning of frontier is clear in so far as it defines the relationship between a metropole and a distant territory. However, the politics of that relationship gives context. What does it mean to have a frontier? Support the ethnic minorities in your realm? Land as a release valve for overpopulation? Establish trading posts or forts? Impose concepts of land ownership? Fund efforts of people of the metropole to settle? Some meanings are more benign than others.

Yup. Fits perfectly for Star Trek. The final FRONTIER!!! Heck yeah!

 

[cooleddie74]

Impressive! Somehow I've found a way to care even less.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Impressive! Somehow I've found a way to care even less.

I'm caring so less I'm in the negative caring less territory now. Not sure if that's even humanly possible but i think that's where I am.

 

[Lord Garth]

Well, we're at that point now. So I guess this is it.

Time soon for me to do a re-watch of Picard as a whole, when I can find time for it, and get the related threads going, or bumped up in the second season's case. Until then, it's been real!

 

[jackoverfull]

Majel recorded her phonemes for future use before she passed. So, I think they can use her voice to say almost anything.

in theory. In practice turning those recordings into a viable voice model would be an extremely complex and costly procedure, so for now they just reused available clip from the 90s.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Season 1 began with Picard a broken shell of the man he used to be, bitter and alone and preferring his dreams to reality where he could play poker with a lost comrade because he "didn't want the game to end".

The show ended with Picard reunited with his friends and family and eager to not only continue the game of poker but that of life as well.

A fitting call back to not only All Good Things but to the series opening as well. The series as a whole certainly gave Picard a rather complete arc. Even the largely abysmal season 2 contributed to the growth that brought us here.

 

[thribs]

Well, we're at that point now. So I guess this is it.

Time soon for me to do a re-watch of Picard as a whole, when I can find time for it, and get the related threads going, or bumped up in the second season's case. Until then, it's been real!

Best of luck!

 

[ReddishAlert]

Season 1 began with Picard a broken shell of the man he used to be, bitter and alone and preferring his dreams to reality where he could play poker with a lost comrade because he "didn't want the game to end".

The show ended with Picard reunited with his friends and family and and eager to not only continue the game of poker but that of life as well.

A fitting call back to not only All Good Things but to the series opening as well. The series as a whole certainly gave Picard a rather complete arc. Even the largely abysmal season 2 contributed to the growth that brought us here.

I agree. I think that’s why I was ok with the Borg being in each season. Because, ironically, the through line is that Picard is back in search for his collective that makes him whole.

 

[vulcancicada]

The meaning of frontier is clear in so far as it defines the relationship between a metropole and a distant territory. However, the politics of that relationship gives context. What does it mean to have a frontier? Support the ethnic minorities in your realm? Land as a release valve for overpopulation? Establish trading posts or forts? Impose concepts of land ownership? Fund efforts of people of the metropole to settle? Some meanings are more benign than others.

Yes. 'Frontier' or 'wilderness' are terms that imply a distinct 'center' and a 'non-wilderness'. Space might very well be the 'final frontier' for us in our world, but in TNG they took a more culturally relative stance despite the monologue.

Kira was offended by Bashir calling Bajor the “wilderness” btw, not the frontier

I definitely do not want to get in an argument with you because you seem to jump all over everything I say but, it was in a whole speech about how excited he was to practice 'frontier medicine'.

I made my original comment because I enjoy analysing these things and I think it's important to look at how we use language and represent places but it seems like people are just mad that I brought it up. Apologies if it bothered anyone! I want this forum to be a place where I can come to enjoy my favourite shows, not another place where I need to argue, and I will think more carefully about what I say from now on.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Season 1 began with Picard a broken shell of the man he used to be, bitter and alone and preferring his dreams to reality where he could play poker with a lost comrade because he "didn't want the game to end".

The show ended with Picard reunited with his friends and family and and eager to not only continue the game of poker but that of life as well.

A fitting call back to not only All Good Things but to the series opening as well. The series as a whole certainly gave Picard a rather complete arc. Even the largely abysmal season 2 contributed to the growth that brought us here.

Nice destination, but the journey sucked.

 

[The Old Mixer]

FWIW, Star Trek, original recipe, was a thinly redressed TV Western. That's baked into the entire franchise's premise.

SNW is chock full of them (Enterprise! Pike! Kirk! Spock! Uhura! The Gorn! Smokin' hot Number One!)

(Chapel! M'Benga! Khan descendant! T'Pring!)

Time soon for me to do a re-watch of Picard as a whole, when I can find time for it, and get the related threads going, or bumped up in the second season's case. Until then, it's been real!

FWIW, this is a young enough forum that I, for one, wouldn't care terribly if somebody bumped the Season 1 and 2 episode threads while doing a rewatch, regardless of whether they're over a year old.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Nice destination, but the journey sucked.

Whatever. To each their own.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

Just a thought on Worf's line about a lecture on Mugato Meditation...

Given the recent appearance of the Mugato on Lower Decks, did anyone else get have this image of his comment being a euphamism? You knew, with the voyeur.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Just a thought on Worf's line about a lecture on Mugato Meditation...

Given the recent appearance of the Mugato on Lower Decks, did anyone else get have this image of his comment being a euphamism? You knew, with the voyeur.

Brilliant!

I'd love to hear from a Starfleet anthropologist the sociological and cultural significance of such behavior in the mugatu.

 

[fireproof78]

fitting call back to not only All Good Things but to the series opening as well. The series as a whole certainly gave Picard a rather complete arc. Even the largely abysmal season 2 contributed to the growth that brought us here.

It's funny to me to reflect on this. I recently had a conversation with a friend about relationships, and the impact of social media. One aspect that is part of culture that has that technology it impacts depression because we don't see the struggle. We get a highlight reel of people's lives, seeing the highs, the good food, the positive vibes and delightful happenings of life. We don't see the heartache, the tears or pain that occurs between the pictures.

Season 2 might be hard, might be a difficult story or doesn't resonate with Star Trek's supposed purpose. But, I'd say that if Star Trek is about the human adventure then it can't just be about the good. It can't just be strange worlds but the impact on human beings. It tells us that these things can happen but can be overcome, with support.

 

[Turtletrekker]

It's funny to me to reflect on this. I recently had a conversation with a friend about relationships, and the impact of social media. One aspect that is part of culture that has that technology it impacts depression because we don't see the struggle. We get a highlight reel of people's lives, seeing the highs, the good food, the positive vibes and delightful happenings of life. We don't see the heartache, the tears or pain that occurs between the pictures.

Season 2 might be hard, might be a difficult story or doesn't resonate with Star Trek's supposed purpose. But, I'd say that if Star Trek is about the human adventure then it can't just be about the good. It can't just be strange worlds but the impact on human beings. It tells us that these things can happen but can be overcome, with support.

Season 2 will never be great television, but the point of the whole "childhood trauma can affect how you look at relationships in your adulthood" aspect of the story hit home for me in a number of ways. I just wish it had been better executed.