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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"
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I don't normally have an answer to this kind of thing, but my immediate thought is I would have cut Jack Crusher's Borg outfit in order to build maybe a corridor and a turbo lift.
Firstly, I thought it looked wrong that he'd been assimilated, but they'd left his hair done all nice. Then he looked daft hugging his Mom in the Borg suit on the D bridge later. Leave him in his civvies, give him some CGI veins like Sydney and good to go. Corridor and turbo lift, please. ;-)
The bridge was beautifully done, you're right. I guess for me the bridge is only a part of that environment. Still, lovely to see it.
I mean, the reunion was inevitable once Nephene happened. I don't expect it as earned, aside from the fact that they are willing to say "We are the Enterprise crew." I think that the season goes for that huge moment of them on the Bridge and that's what it was aiming for. It didn't seem too necessarily focus beyond that, save for wrapping up a lot of threads satisfactorily. Which is does satisfactorily, even very actiony.
Only a red one on the cargo transporter room floor.
But how can those beautiful LCARS pop in better lighting?
You said a hug beat the Borg, I said it was the enterprise destroying the beacon, cube and Queen that did it. Picard went in to save Jack.
I addressed your point and corrected the assertion via story points from the episode.
The minute the Enterprise reached the beacon it was over. The Borg and their ship was gonna go, and Jack, Riker, Worf and Picard with it.
there, is that more clear now that I have repeated it?
It is very satisfying finally though, isn't it? For all the missed opportunities over 3 seasons, finally it does close a lot of threads.
Hm.
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Should have had Guinan at the end. Should have.
Should have had Wesley having a meaningful interaction with his Mom in this season rather than his randocameo last season.
I think finally PIC s03 is like most Star Trek to me. It's never quite as good as I wish it could be. But it was very good.
No, what you did was get angry, didn't read all of my arguments, fastened onto one sentence like you always do, because you're incapable of having a rational conversation about the subject. And you did the same with my second response. A hug beat the Borg was the end of my criticism, not the beginning
You seem like a really nice and interesting person. Direct your energies elsewhere for a more positive forum experience. Don't play into what said poster is doing and reply to the posts you like, rather than the ones you don't.
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Don't get me wrong I would have loved it if they built more of the ship. If they had the ability, I would have wished them to do the reveal the first time they went to the fleet museum, and then keep them on the Enterprise-D. I assume they did not do this since they would not have been able to show the Changelings taking over the ship.
You seem like a really nice and interesting person. Direct your energies elsewhere for a more positive forum experience. Don't play into it and reply to the posts you like, rather than the ones you don't.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. I didn't speak to him.... he went after me. I mean seriously..
it did, but they dealt with it twice. When Voyager got messages from the Alpha Quadrant via the array the Hirogen were using, Chakotay was informed form an imprisoned Maquis member that "aliens from the Gamma Quadrant" who were allies of the Cardassians destroyed the Maquis. He only told Torres on camera, and she got a follow up in Extreme Risk where she started to do more extreme things and injure herself. That was a good episode.
Voyager wasn't the kind of show to do big follow ups because of what UPN wanted at the time, but I felt that given that about half the crew were supposed to be Maquis, it would have been one of the most disruptive things to happen on Voyager that year. I can only imagine Chakotay going first to Janeway and telling her "I just found out... and I haven't told anyone yet... that the friends and loved ones of half our crew were slaughtered back in the Alpha Quadrant. They deserve to know". You could see how that would throw many people into deep depression... what were they going home for again? Others may want to re-ignite the old Maquis spirit. Regardless, it could have torn apart the hard-earned unity of the combined crew.
Again, Voyager couldn't do stories like that, but it would have been a great story to see.
It was Berman wanting to keep the Sovereign class as a "movie treat" as I recall.
Similar as how to the Constitution-refit never showed up. It almost did in the Stargazer, but that was nixed.
I never knew that, but that's so typical of Gene. Man who envisions a utopia future free of want and money, loved a heavy wallet.
I think Starfleet goes through ships too fast in the 24th and early-25th Centuries.
Look at the registry numbers even. Ships in the 2280s had registry numbers in the 2000s. In the 2340s, they're up to the 40000s. In the 2360s, they're up to the 70000s, and then it looks like it slows down and the registry numbers are still "only" at the 80000s in the 2400s.
So either the fleet multiplied by a huge number during the first half of the 24th Century, or a lot of registry numbers were unused, or by the turn of the 25th Century ships are being decommissioned faster and faster while the number of ships being commissioned has slowed down, so the fleet is becoming smaller again.
Look at the registry numbers even. Ships in the 2280s had registry numbers in the 2000s. In the 2340s, they're up to the 40000s. In the 2360s, they're up to the 70000s, and then it looks like it slows down and the registry numbers are still "only" at the 80000s in the 2400s.
So either the fleet multiplied by a huge number during the first half of the 24th Century, or a lot of registry numbers were unused, or by the turn of the 25th Century ships are being decommissioned faster and faster while the number of ships being commissioned has slowed down, so the fleet is becoming smaller again.
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Gene was all about a future free from want, pain, trouble, open sexual experiences and especially all of those for guys named Gene Roddenberry
NX-01: 10 years.
NCC-1701: 40 years.
NCC-1701-A: 7 years.
NCC-1701-B: unknown in canon but could be as long as 36 years.
NCC-1701-C: unknown in canon but possibly 11 years.
NCC-1701-D: 8 years.
NCC-1701-E: unknown, but at least 10 years.
NCC-1701-F: possibly 15 years.
So of the first eight warp-capable Starfleet vessels to carry the name Enterprise only two are confirmed to have lasted longer than a decade, one other might have made it to the age of 36 and two didn't even make it to 10. A real mixed bag and I can't imagine being named Enterprise is the explanation because, you know, wild adventures and wacky hijinks in deep space.
NCC-1701: 40 years.
NCC-1701-A: 7 years.
NCC-1701-B: unknown in canon but could be as long as 36 years.
NCC-1701-C: unknown in canon but possibly 11 years.
NCC-1701-D: 8 years.
NCC-1701-E: unknown, but at least 10 years.
NCC-1701-F: possibly 15 years.
So of the first eight warp-capable Starfleet vessels to carry the name Enterprise only two are confirmed to have lasted longer than a decade, one other might have made it to the age of 36 and two didn't even make it to 10. A real mixed bag and I can't imagine being named Enterprise is the explanation because, you know, wild adventures and wacky hijinks in deep space.
The Galaxy class was expertly designed for 4:3, low definition television. It was much bigger and easier to make out than any "thin necked" ship that had long nacelles that would hang off screen. A lot of thought into the design of TNG sets and the Enterprise itself was based on lessons learned from TOS, and wasn't a flight of fancy. Even the bridge in that design, with Yar/Worf behind the captain, was meant to fix the TOS/TOS movie problem of having major stations (and their actors) off screen.
But with regards to the Galaxy class, you could fit all of it on screen from almost any angle and still have it big, and thus see detail at 320x240, whereas with the Constitution class, you can only do that with 2-4 angles.
Voyager had a similar design motivation behind it. It's short nacelled design was following on from the Enterprise-D television precedent (they did consider long nacelled designs, but not many) and helped fit it on screen. Returning to a long nacelle Enterprise-E for films was allowable because of the aspect ratio and detail in a Hollywood film.
Ironically, a lot of the lessons learned with the Connie-1701D-Voyager experience were ignored for the NX-01, which despite being by far the most detailed and carefully planned hero ship ever designed for Star Trek (the work that went into it is impressive), was very undramatic from a 3/4ths perspective from the front, the most viewed angle, because of the lack of a secondary hull. VFX people involved with the show later regarded that as a design mistake. But the swap to HD aspect ratio and higher resolution allowed for longer nacelles (which are still short as far as long nacelle ships go).
The Borg within also were hybrids of the FC makeup/bits and the TNG bodysuits
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