Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

[firehawk12]

Odo knew some changelings left the link and were planning something against Starfleet. Either they left on their own and later found Vadic and her few changelings somehow or Vadic's group went to the link to recruit others?

Given that there are presumably more than a dozen Changelings spread out across the Federation, I guess it'd have to be one of these answers. If it was made clear in the show, I didn't catch it though.

So what do people think about Vadic being scared of the borg queen earlier this season? It doesn't really fit with the pretty powerless borg queen we saw in the finale. And how was the borg queen remotely able to cause Vadic pain? We've never seen the borg use technology like that. It also appeared like Vadic was scared of what would happen if she didn't capture Jack, but why would she be scared of a powerless borg cube? This season has noticeable flaws like this that bug me. Another is that changeling earlier in the season that was involved with the attack. When he was being chased by Worf why did he not hide and then change into a small rock or dirt or rodent or fly away as an insect?

I also have to assume this was something that didn't make it to the screen. The person speaking to Vadic via her arm thing wasn't the Queen at least, afaik.

 

[Farscape One]

That's actually a big question I have about the season... how did those Changelings and Borg meet? Who found who first?

I feel like it's implied the Queen and Vadic never actually met, and the Borg Queen was using rattle sabering tactics to scare the Changelings. If there is one thing ANY species should be afraid of, it's the Borg.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That's actually a big question I have about the season... how did those Changelings and Borg meet? Who found who first?

Probably a website about hating the Federation.

 

[cooleddie74]

So...The Trek BBS.

 

[gvn2fly]

Given that there are presumably more than a dozen Changelings spread out across the Federation, I guess it'd have to be one of these answers. If it was made clear in the show, I didn't catch it though.

It wasn't made clear in the show. All they said was Odo contacted Worf about members of the link being unhappy with losing the war and left to plot something against starfleet. It really doesn't make sense when you think about the details. Because did they leave long ago and Odo only recently told Worf? Or if they had left recently they couldn't have done everything they did so far.

I also have to assume this was something that didn't make it to the screen. The person speaking to Vadic via her arm thing wasn't the Queen at least, afaik.

Terry Matalas has confirmed on twitter Vadic was speaking to the Borg Queen. But then again, why did the BQ have a completely different voice when speaking with Vadic than she did when speaking to Picard in person? Writers obviously wanted to hide the borg reveal, but there needs to be an in-universe explanation that makes some kind of sense. It just seems like really sloppy writing. The same kind of issues I had with season 2.

 

[Tosk]

But then again, why did the BQ have a completely different voice when speaking with Vadic than she did when speaking to Picard in person?

Meat-holograms tend to distort your voice quite a lot.

 

[gvn2fly]

That's actually a big question I have about the season... how did those Changelings and Borg meet? Who found who first?

I have the same question. And how did discussion about Picard's body come about?

BQ: Vadic, I have sensed a transmitter that can destroy the federation. He sees a red door (Vadic knew about the red door). But I need the body of Picard so we can extract some DNA from his brain and distribute it to starfleet.
Vadic: Picard died, but our changelings have found out that his body is in Daystrom. We'll get it.
Vadic: Hey, why don't you just use the DNA from other borg drones? They all receive information from the collective like Locutus did?

 

[Richard S. Ta]

91 pages already...

I finally watched it. Very nice. Initial thoughts:

* It was nice to see everyone back together around the poker table.


* I actually cried when Tuvok denied Seven's resignation. God, I love Tim Russ.


* I don't see the point in dragging the Enterprise F on screen only to do nothing with it then shuffle it off to rechristen the Titan as Enterprise G.

But okay.

That's what they did.


* I'm not usually a big fan of Spiner playing roles that aren't Data.

I only really think he's good as Data.

But this 'Nu' Data is a really nice, distinct and subtle character.

Much better than the emotion chip histrionics we got in the movies.


* Q.

Q...

I'm not saying they did, but there is a case to be made for Season 3 'correcting' much of what whoever didn't like about Season 2.

New Borg hand-waved and then Q is alright (I know I shouldn't think so linearly, but... well, that's a hand wave in itself).

I don't mind that they did either thing, but I do think there's a case to be made.

Nepenthe as well...


* No Laris...

Actually, seriously, what the fuck?

Why no Laris?


* Nice job on the D bridge, but as I said last week, it still feels like a conjuring trick.

I wish we'd have seen a corridor or two, the transporter room... I dunno.

As it was it felt like the turbolifts were the 'wings' of a theatre stage and folks just waited in there to make their entrances.

I didn't get a full sense of the environment that is the D.

But still, nice job.


Overall, PIC is a show I like, but despite getting a lot of things right there are still some deep problems with this season. Problems with the show overall, I think. I really wish someone had sat down at the beginning and basically plotted out a three season plan, but it is what it is. IIRC, they didn't know the ending to Season 1 while they were filming it.

So it's a mess, but seeing the TNG crew together makes it a joyous mess at least. 8/10

 

[Scionz]

Trek has two built in safeguards against ever being caught up (1) WWIII plunged humanity into a dark age and (2) for all we know Starfleet tech is completely renewable and runs on batteries made of a few grains of sand. A PADD might *look* less advanced than an iPad or colour kindle, but it came out of a replicator that isn’t, basically. Smart phones still aren’t even as advanced as Trek communicator, we just think they are because we don’t think about cell towers and Wi-Fi access points everywhere. A communicator can work without those. Once those two things click in a persons head, it’s easy to stop being cynical about Trek.

I argued for *ages* about the period piece and why that works. Around about the same time I was arguing why the TNG crew and era are as important, if not more so, than the TOS crew in terms of why the show keeps circling TOS at that time.

I entirely agree. I really liked the SNW World War III retcon.It's very clever folding what we knew from DS9 about America's social disruption in the 2020s into a deteriorating international situation in the 2030s (that we knew from TOS, TNG, DS9 and Enterprise) into iit all being the prelude World War III, and then roping in our current real world social upheaval, labeling it as "America's Second Civil War" (which is a bit hyperbolic, but its fine for the story), as the opening stages of World War III. And true enough, World War II and World War I both had antecedents that could be seen in the same light. So too did the Napoleonic Wars - not just the French Revolution but the American Revolution and the restart of large scale liberal democracy for the first time since antiquity. Continuity purists may not love it, but I absolutely love how it makes so much more sense than the old explanations.

 

[Cortez]

Watched it again there now. Good lord, it's awful. The last two episodes are the equivalent of a prize fighter coasting through the first 10 rounds, thinking they have this bout no problem, and then suddenly catching wind of the scorecards. Suddenly realising that they have to knock the other person out, so just starts throwing haymaker after haymaker; no thought, no reason behind them. Just the hope of winning of winning is enough. Just the hope of love is enough here. A hug killed the Borg. I mean, come on.

 

[firehawk12]

It wasn't made clear in the show. All they said was Odo contacted Worf about members of the link being unhappy with losing the war and left to plot something against starfleet. It really doesn't make sense when you think about the details. Because did they leave long ago and Odo only recently told Worf? Or if they had left recently they couldn't have done everything they did so far.

It would have to make sense for them to have been in action for a long time, first to meet the Borg somehow, then to actually replace all their victims (and create some kind of jail for them to keep them all alive for some reason)... which means Starfleet Intelligence may have known about it all along. That said, this is the same organization that was taken over by rogue Romulans a few years ago in this timeline, so it's also possible that they're all incompetent. lol

Terry Matalas has confirmed on twitter Vadic was speaking to the Borg Queen. But then again, why did the BQ have a completely different voice when speaking with Vadic than she did when speaking to Picard in person? Writers obviously wanted to hide the borg reveal, but there needs to be an in-universe explanation that makes some kind of sense. It just seems like really sloppy writing. The same kind of issues I had with season 2.

Well... that makes no sense based on the show I watched at least. I just assumed it was one of her lieutenants or something, but we know there aren't many Borg left either.

 

[Cortez]

Well... that makes no sense based on the show I watched at least. I just assumed it was one of her lieutenants or something, but we know there aren't many Borg left either.

So how are the Borg controlling them?

 

[Tosk]

A hug killed the Borg. I mean, come on.

And why not? Last season the Borg gave up thanks to a three minute argument from Jurati.

 

[fireproof78]

IIRC, they didn't know the ending to Season 1 while they were filming it.

They also thought one and done, and Stewart had his own stipulations.

 

[Rusty0918]

A hug killed the Borg. I mean, come on.

As Huey Lewis has said, the power of love is a curious thing!

 

[fireproof78]

A hug killed the Borg. I mean, come on.

Good.

 

[Racefuel]

Watched it again there now. Good lord, it's awful. The last two episodes are the equivalent of a prize fighter coasting through the first 10 rounds, thinking they have this bout no problem, and then suddenly catching wind of the scorecards. Suddenly realising that they have to knock the other person out, so just starts throwing haymaker after haymaker; no thought, no reason behind them. Just the hope of winning of winning is enough. Just the hope of love is enough here. A hug killed the Borg. I mean, come on.

I suspect the Enterprise blowing up the transmission beacon and destroying the cube had something to do with the Borg being destroyed.

 

[Cortez]

And why not? Last season the Borg gave up thanks to a three minute argument from Jurati.

Don't watch any of NuTrek. First seasons of Picard and Discovery were enough for me (never finished them - horrific). Only watched this season because of the band getting back together. I like good writing, that's it. I'm willing to accept the odd plot contrivance once there's a consistency of character and a basically decent plot. We've had none of that here. I love the first 3 or 4 seasons of Game of Thrones because the novels are fantastically woven. They're a bit meandering (like me) but there's such quality there in terms of character and consistency. The last few seasons are atrocious, just like this. It's a trainwreck. Honestly.

 

[cooleddie74]

Eh. Tax evasion took down Al Capone. The Borg spent centuries spreading pain, destruction and loss just to enhance themselves. If one human's love for his child finally delivered the death blow to the Collective then I'm cool with that.

 

[Racefuel]

Picard going into the collective was about saving Jack.

The Enterprise destroying the beacon and setting off the collapse and explosion of the cube is what took out the Borg.

That should have been obvious to anyone watching the episode