Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

[Scionz]

I'm just going to say it, Ed Speleers is the wish.com James McAvoy. But they both got to work with Alice Krige in a vaguely motherly role and both got to be involved in two different franchises with Sir Pat

I think Ed did a very good job. The entire season could have collapsed if that character was poorly cast or written annoyingly. Instead they cast someone who could handle himself superbly in scenes with an experinced cast that was acting in these roles before he was born. Not a lot of actors could do that. As cool and Metafictional, as it would have been to have James McAvoy in the role Ed Speleers nailed it.

With regards to his actual age vs the show age, I thin one mistake this season made was setting it in 2401, a year after Season 2 and 2 years after Season 1, making Jack Crusher a maximum of 20 years old. That was pointless, especially in the 24th century when humans live in excellent health well into their 100s.

I think the show should have been set in 2409 or 2410. Yes it would have aligned it with STO, but that's not the point It would have given Picard ten years as Starfleet Academy Chancellor, Seven years to to become a Commander, and Starfleet years to rebuild itself post-Season 1. It would have allowed Ed's age to match his character (nearly). I kind of think this was the original intent and they changed it along the way, maybe in post production. There were mistakes with the age of the Titan refit, for example, and indication a lot more time passed than a year in uniform changes, starship changes and character jobs.

I wonder why they did it. Maybe having Picard not talking to Beverly in 20 years vs 30 seemed better. Maybe they felt that pushing it back made Picard's assimilation too far in the past (45 vs 35 years prior). Maybe they wanted Jack to be young enough that Picard could still be a fatherly influence on him. Who knows.

 

[STEPhon IT]

The final episode was good and this could be my final venture in Star Trek. Until there's a new showrunner for CBSALLACCESS+ Trek. Picard the entire season was full of remember berries which were nice and I am glad to finally see the Enterprise again, and the cast which were a wonder since 1987.

 

[NCC-73515]

Ah, here we go. The darkness where I can't see anything. This is the Picard I know and hate!

They were right, and it happened much faster

Agreed. Encounter at Farpoint Picard tore into Wesley for less. If they wanted to fast track Jack, they should've just made him an enlisted man like O'Brien and leave it at that. Or retcon a Vulcan Science Academy education into his background that Discovery already established as being interchangeable with Starfleet Academy.

It makes sense that they need more new people quickly because probably a lot of officers died

I imagine they went THAT extreme with the makeup because Krige wouldn't do it though. So they had to make it less noticeable that it wasn't her. The stand in actress wasn't very good unfortunately. None of the charisma. The Queen in general was a big disappointment.

How can anyone have charisma is that situation?

It felt a bit rushed in places but hearing the computer voice gave me goosebumps.
Just think the fleet as removed from the emotional trauma a bit fast oh and why did the Titian have a cook?

The cook (baker) has to be there to throw out the chairs and get cold-resistant-level drunk when the ship hits an asteroid

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The final episode was good and this could be my final venture in Star Trek. Until there's a new showrunner for CBSALLACCESS+ Trek. Picard the entire season was full of remember berries which were nice and I am glad to finally see the Enterprise again, and the cast which were a wonder since 1987.

Continuation of 25th Century Trek?

Would you be willing to watch "Star Trek: Legacy" if the show gets approved?

We got ST:SNW because the fan base really liked Anson Mount as Christopher Pike & Rebecca Romijn as Number One

Who's to say that we can't enjoy a new show based on the Enterprise-G with Captain Seven and her crew.

Maybe we can finally get "The La Forge" sisters together on the same ship finally.

 

[Scionz]

Re: Parents and children

I don't like how Picard only seemed to find meaning or total satisfaction with his life after he found out he had a son. I understand that having a child can be an enriching experience, but they played it off like Picard was a failure if he hadn't reproduced.

Also: It's reasonable that Beverly was sad that Wesley went off on his own personal exploration, but it's a weird thing to list that as a reason why she held tightly to her second son so he wouldn't go away. That seems selfish.

I thought Geordi's relationship with his daughters was great. The dynamic between the three of them was envigorating.

I still think it's unfortunate that Kestra was essentially ignored. One simple mention in dialogue. It's sad that they lost their son, but I wish they would have fit their daughter into their emotional journey.

With so much parent/child focus, it's too bad there wasn't even a mention of Worf being a parent, but what else is new. (A perfect opportunity for Alexander to return, played by yet another actor, haha.) I've always lamented that Beverly and Worf never bonded over being the parents of the group.

Ooof I gotta disagree with this for personal reasons. I, like Picard, didn't really care to have children for a long time. I love kids, but it wasn't in my plan, which is career first. I saw how spouses got in the way, so I only ever had girlfriends and boyfriends and didn't think about marrying or settling down. I'm 39 now. My brother, a few years younger, is quite different. He got married 8 years ago and had his first son 3 years ago and another one 1.5 years ago. I can't overstate what my nephews mean to me. They filled a void I didn't know was there. I vist them once a month ad face time them almost every day. (we're a close family). I think about them more than anyone else. I do everything I can for them. I hope I have kids some day still... I still prioritize my job so we'll see if that happens... but them joining my life changed it forever in such a profoundly positive way, I have a hard time imagining life before them.

What Picard expressed about what Jack meant to him is very real., It's directly adjacent to what I feel. There was indeed, an absence in satisfaction I didn't recognize until my family grew for the first time in 35 years. My nephews enriched something that needed to be enriched. Picard's not a failure, anymore than I am, because we didn't have kids. But choosing alternative paths does have real costs.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I did like how Jacks Borg body armor and fittings were a semi throwback to the TNG series Borg. Less organic suit and more plates and such

Having permanent body armor and being turned into a Cybernetic Zombie while losing free will sucks.

Honestly, having body armor that a person can transform into on command, instead of always being on would be more useful. Not having the armor permanently attached would be nice.

 

[XCV330]

The final episode was good and this could be my final venture in Star Trek. Until there's a new showrunner for CBSALLACCESS+ Trek. Picard the entire season was full of remember berries which were nice and I am glad to finally see the Enterprise again, and the cast which were a wonder since 1987.

What's with calling it that? It's been Paramount+ for awhile now. Is that like the STD dog whistle? "If you know, you know", kind of thing? Is it as real as that Russian model in your avatar's photoshopped words on her phone? I am so curious.

 

[fireproof78]

Who's to say that we can't enjoy a new show based on the Enterprise-G with Captain Seven and her crew.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Apparently, nepotism still has some sway in the 25th Century.

When you are the son of two legendary Admirals of different departments.

Both of whom are critical to saving the UFP, I wouldn't be surprised that they gave him a special "Crash Course" in StarFleet.

Especially given his older age and not attending StarFleet Academy like a traditional student.

 

[Racefuel]

And Jack left the Titan because of the crews incompetence. They, along with his own actions are directly responsible for a ridiculous amount of deaths. No mention, nothing. Notice that the infected crew were transported into a holding cell in this episode? That's interesting. You could have done stuff like that a few episodes ago. Too many head scratching moments in this season. The turbo lift.... ridiculous.

They just discovered the Borg genetic modifications later in episode 9. How could they have done that a few episodes ago when it was only in the last episode?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The Borg should've sent some TIE fighters after them, while back on Earth a bunch of short furry aliens stop the Borg by throwing rocks at them.

The current incarnation of Borg don't have Fighter Craft or Drones, much less AI machines.

It seems going by Prodigy (where it's implied that the Kazon basically took over the old Borg transwarp conduits) and here that after Voyager Endgame the Fed basically just left the Borg alone to wither to death. I'm very surprised that Admiral Nechayev, who was so eager to use Hugh as a virus, didn't issue an order to basically hunt down all remaining Borg ships and eliminate them. Also the Borg cube here in complete disrepair was not at all like the basically normal, functional Borg cube seen in Prodigy. Not necessarily a hard contradiction per se but it is odd. Unless the damage was compounded by the synth vision the Borg assimilated as mentioned in Season 1?

The Milky Way Galaxy is HUGE, given that the majority of the Borg are based in the Delta Quadrant, I'm not surprised that she didn't bother to send a armada to hunt them down. Dealing with the aftermath of the Dominion War and protecting UFP territory is a Full Time job.

The Borg Queen had enough trouble maintaining control / cohesion, the fact that her final game plan was to do this long term assimilation gambit was interesting, but it failed.

Given how massive her Specialized Cube was, I'm not surprised that it took massive resources to turn her Cube into a large SubSpace Transceiver to control all the biologically assimilated Borg.

I guess Borg Nano-Machines have some advantages in that the Subspace signals for communication can be sent ALOT further than having to be so close to Earth's fleet as to be hiding in Jupiters Gaseous Atmosphere.

 

[Charles Phipps]

I do imagine the Borg are being blasted by every race around them while they're dormant

 

[STEPhon IT]

Continuation of 25th Century Trek?

Would you be willing to watch "Star Trek: Legacy" if the show gets approved?

We got ST:SNW because the fan base really liked Anson Mount as Christopher Pike & Rebecca Romijn as Number One

Who's to say that we can't enjoy a new show based on the Enterprise-G with Captain Seven and her crew.

Maybe we can finally get "The La Forge" sisters together on the same ship finally.

Sigh. Maybe, it all depends on what I see from the previews or something from "Legacy". All lot of things would have to happen for me to get invested. The ship designs have to look pretty and not what I've seen so far, and the uniforms needs a new touch where it has the Star Trek DNA but is not similar to TNG. I would like the stories to be ship based along with the characters and not another Galaxy wide super threat, I'd hope for tales which are not serialized. Probably not going to happen but we'll see.

I'll never watch STRANGE it is not a prequel to the CAGE or TOS and there's nothing I noticed that could draw me in ever. I read too many things that leaves me cold.

You're right about a possible new series with Seven but the Titan design to me doesn't deserve the name Enterprise. Sorry I was never a fan of the ship designs for CBSALLACCESS + Trek.

I really like Sidney La Forge and I hope she's cast for the Legacy show, I think I could be invested in seeing that character as a regular on that show, but a lot of things have to happen in order for me to watch.

For me, I would like the franchise to move on from TNG timelines and move forward into the future where there's a clean slate. The DNA is still there but brings something new... I miss explorations from a ship and doesn't drown itself with LEFTIST politics, like the Anson Mount show, but tell a neutral story where I can understand both sides of the issues and not feel attacked because on my conservative views. I can only be optimistic for what comes but I am glad to see my heroes once more and the Enterprise in PICARD.

 

[Scionz]

I just noticed... Data would totally be drinking a martini. That's so him.

 

[Racefuel]

The bar scene at the end was great. Just friends enjoying the presence of each other.

it’s the best way to remember the tng crew

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I do imagine the Borg are being blasted by every race around them while they're dormant

Or their technology and knowledge is getting pillaged and used by every major species / stellar nation-state powers out there to enhance their own might.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I just noticed... Data would totally be drinking a martini. That's so him.

I also thought this was a better treatment for Data than what was done in the first season.

 

[Scionz]

Continuation of 25th Century Trek?

Would you be willing to watch "Star Trek: Legacy" if the show gets approved?

We got ST:SNW because the fan base really liked Anson Mount as Christopher Pike & Rebecca Romijn as Number One

Who's to say that we can't enjoy a new show based on the Enterprise-G with Captain Seven and her crew.

Maybe we can finally get "The La Forge" sisters together on the same ship finally.

Absolutely.
The 23rd century is "the past". It does its own thing because it's fundamentally a story of something that already happened.
The 32nd century, as interesting as it is, is the impossibly far future. It's a possibility (and I really like Discovery Season 3 and 4).
The 24th/25th century is the "Present". That is the Star Trek of the now.

I like SNW. I like Discovery. I loved Picard. I like all Star Trek. But Legacy is what I want because I want to know what happens in the "present".

 

[SAndrews10]

Loved the return of the line THERE ONCE WAS A LADY FROM VENUS…

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I would like the stories to be ship based along with the characters and not another Galaxy wide super threat, I'd hope for tales which are not serialized. Probably not going to happen but we'll see.

Outside of DS9, we haven't had another series based on a StarBase or Planetary Base.

StarFleet Academy might be the first show that is on a Planetary Base.

But everything else has been on a ship of some sort.

I'd hope that they don't do "Galaxy Wide Threats very often". That gets tiring. It's something you should do for legendary casts to solve. In this case, it's fine, given the pedigree of the TNG crew.

But other crews, one's that aren't well established should have to work up to a "Galaxy Wide" Threat.

Smaller scale conflicts should be the order of the day until you establish them.

And SNW has shown us that they can do Non-Serialized storylines as well as Serialized.

I'd hope that not everything is "Serial-ized".

Some "Limited" multi-ep/part serial stories are fine, but we don't need one long story every time.

Sometimes, random short multi-part stories and stand alone stories are fine.

I'll never watch STRANGE it is not a prequel to the CAGE or TOS and there's nothing I noticed that could draw me in ever. I read too many things that leaves me cold.

You're right about a possible new series with Seven but the Titan design to me doesn't deserve the name Enterprise. Sorry I was never a fan of the ship designs for CBSALLACCESS + Trek.

You really should give SNW a shot, I really enjoy it.

As for the USS Titan, it's ok; nothing to complain about, but nothing special either.

It's a fine design, nothing that hits it out of the park like TMP Refit Enterprise or the Galaxy Class or Intrepid Class.

But that's fine, not every ship design is going to be a 10/10 IMO.

So we'll see if they keep that ship.

Honestly, I'd like Seven to Captain the Enterprise-G for maybe a season or two, then have her become the Captain of the Voyager-B.

It'd only be fitting that she Captains a new ship named "Voyager."

For me, I would like the franchise to move on from TNG timelines and move forward into the future where there's a clean slate. The DNA is still there but brings something new... I miss explorations from a ship and doesn't drown itself with LEFTIST politics, like the Anson Mount show, but tell a neutral story where I can understand both sides of the issues and not feel attacked because on my conservative views. I can only be optimistic for what comes but I am glad to see my heroes once more and the Enterprise in PICARD.

The timeline is whatever time they choose to set it in.

But for a more balanced politics, they need a writers room that can actually balance it.
SNW isn't that bad, give it a shot.