Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

[jaime]

Honestly, I think it would have made more dramatic sense for Shelby's ship to have been the Enterprise-E. It would have been a lovely cameo for the hero ship of the best TNG movie, and it would have made the fate of the fleet all the more horrific, and it would have heightened the sense of coming home to the D.

I like the thought that the explanation for it missing and for Worfs relatively fast for a Klingon aging is linked — he accidentally parked it too close to a black hole, and his engineer managed to beam the whole crew off, but everyone’s half a century or so older and the ship is just stuck there. They maybe managed to reverse the aging of the crew, but Worf insisted he stay old.
Even though it is not his fault.
XD

 

[jackoverfull]

Um, no. The computer says, "Command transferred to Captain Jean Luc Picard."

And Picard jokes about accepting a demotion.

Which is silliness at it's highest, as any ship commander is called "Captain" regardless of actual rank.

not in this context. If you say “the captain of the enterprise is admiral Picard” it’s correct, as “captain” is a role, but in “I give command of the Enterprise to captain Picard” “captain” is a rank, and thus should be admiral.

 

[jaime]

Kirk was still called Admiral when Captain of the Enterprise having taken command in TMPand TWOK, so the convention is, there is no convention.

 

[jackoverfull]

Kirk was still called Admiral when Captain of the Enterprise having taken command in TMPand TWOK, so the convention is, there is no convention.

yes, but not on the first movie (where he switches to a captain’s uniform and decker to a commander’s -argh!). Also, I think it was inconsistent in those two movies, as I remember some characters referring to Kirk as the captain of the enterprise.

 

[Farscape One]

Maybe since the Enterprise-D is not linked to the rest of Starfleet, it recognized Picard's voice at the time the ship crashed, which he was captain at that time.

 

[jaime]

yes, but not on the first movie (where he switches to a captain’s uniform and decker to a commander’s -argh!). Also, I think it was inconsistent in those two movies, as I remember some characters referring to Kirk as the captain of the enterprise.

Yup, yet Spock keeps calling him admiral. Tradition, convention, and officialdom, and structure, and never shall they meet.

 

[Magistos]

Maybe since the Enterprise-D is not linked to the rest of Starfleet, it recognized Picard's voice at the time the ship crashed, which he was captain at that time.

This was honestly what I thought. It was simply that the computer has been offline/off network and knows NOTHING of changes in rank, etc. It knows Captain Picard. It shows how time has passed, the ship is old, etc. It is poignant, not a mistake. Just like when Data came back online and immediately said "Captain".

TWO resurrections.

 

[jackoverfull]

Maybe since the Enterprise-D is not linked to the rest of Starfleet, it recognized Picard's voice at the time the ship crashed, which he was captain at that time.

I thought that was clear.

 

[ED-209]

Was anyone else disappointed with what was behind the red door?

I was hoping it was going to be something to do with the Pah Wraiths, "hand" would be Dukat and the big end of season thing would be that missing Dominion Fleet. But no the Borg again...

 

[jackoverfull]

Was anyone else disappointed with what was behind the red door?

I was hoping it was going to be something to do with the Pah Wraiths, "hand" would be Dukat and the big end of season thing would be that missing Dominion Fleet. But no the Borg again...

this obsession with doors in recent trek is a bit annoying!

 

[Tuskin38]

I was hoping it was going to be something to do with the Pah Wraiths, "hand" would be Dukat and the big end of season thing would be that missing Dominion Fleet. But no the Borg again...

This is a TNG sequel show, not DS9. The big brain behind it all was never going to be something from a different show.

 

[ED-209]

Well it was all very ds9y up to that point.

 

[Sci]

Well it was all very ds9y up to that point.

It used DS9 elements, but it didn't use specific DS9 villain characters who were emotionally tied to DS9 hero characters. Using Dukat in the last episode of PIC would make no emotional sense because Dukat has no relationship to anyone in the PIC cast except Worf for killing Jadzia. You could maybe make the case for using him in Star Trek: Worf, but this is Star Trek: Picard, so the final villain has to have a relationship with Picard in some way.

 

[jackoverfull]

Good point but bad example: cardassi and in general would have been very appropriate villains on Picard.

 

[Sci]

Good point but bad example: cardassi and in general would have been very appropriate villains on Picard.

1) DS9 made it pretty clear the Cardassians were changing as a society. It would be boring and repetitive for them to just be bad guys again.

2) No, Gul Madred would have an emotional link to Picard. Cardassians in general would not, because Jean-Luc Picard is not a bigot who blames every Cardassian for what the guy did to him.

 

[jackoverfull]

1) DS9 made it pretty clear the Cardassians were changing as a society. It would be boring and repetitive for them to just be bad guys again.

2) No, Gul Madred would have an emotional link to Picard. Cardassians in general would not, because Jean-Luc Picard is not a bigot who blames every Cardassian for what the guy did to him.

Sorry, you are missing my point. Doesn’t matter. Just mention for example the Hirogen or the Kazon if you want someone that never had any connection with Picard.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Sorry, you are missing my point. Doesn’t matter. Just mention for example the Hirogen or the Kazon if you want someone that never had any connection with Picard.

What about Maldred's kid?

"Remember when you were my pet Jean-Luc? You'd fetch a stick, and I'd rub your belly. It truly was the best of times."

 

[Sci]

Sorry, you are missing my point. Doesn’t matter. Just mention for example the Hirogen or the Kazon if you want someone that never had any connection with Picard.

No, I understand your point. I just don't agree.

 

[jackoverfull]

What about Maldred's kid?

"Remember when you were my pet Jean-Luc? You'd fetch a stick, and I'd rub your belly. It truly was the best of times."

indeed! That kid must be really traumatised, at least by human standards.

 

[JLBTucker]

The borg.. agian. really!? Im so tired of the borg! I thought the franchise was finely trying to respect ds9 for a change but now the changelings are just the glorified henchmen/ This series loves to give hand jobs to TNG and VOY but goes out of its way to crap on DS9.