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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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And here we go again!

That's.
Not.
The.
Point.

They misunderstand how the OLD, ORIGINAL changelings worked. It's not that the new ones are "different", it's that the show factually gets the original changelings utterly wrong.

It's only people who struggle to understand this that, well, don't understand it.

how exactly did they misunderstand how the original changlings worked given they explained how these are different from them.
 
how exactly did they misunderstand how the original changlings worked given they explained how these are different from them.

Is it possible that they read the extent of Odo's abilities from the Pilot of DS9 and assumed that that's all all Changelings can do?
 
29 years to get the D back. I always thought they'll probably salvage the saucer and they never did as far as we knew when the E was in First Contact and we never heard what happened to the D. I always hated that they destroyed the D so early on in its career. The original NCC 1701 was in service over 30 years. Probably close to 35 until Kirk destroyed it. The D probably still would have been in service if it wasn't half destroyed. It would be so cool if they recommisioned her and gave her to Riker to bring out every now and then as a Admiral. He loved yhe Enterprise D as much or even more so than Picard.
 
I always wonder how things happened in-universe. So Odo contacted Worf and told him a rogue group of changelings was infiltrating Starfleet. What did Worf do..it doesn't seem like he tried to warn anyone in Starfleet ot do much about it (maybe besides Ro). Just told Ro and then hired Raffi to find out what was stolen from Daystrom..

I got the impression Ro and Worf each had multiple agents and contacts investigating, and Raffi ended up finding the most promising lead so she and Worf ended up being Ro’s point-people by default.
 
I was saying that the later DS9 galaxy class ships had the added phaser strips, not a third nacelle!
Now I see the misunderstanding: What I saw was: "And the added bulk of the third nacelle surely helps to make her more balanced. I think the Galaxy ships we see on later seasons of DS9 had those anyway.", that's why I connected those two.

Maybe Data sets the course but helm actually pilots the ship there.
It is true that Data and Wes often typed something, then looked at each other and nodded, and finished typing. That suggests that helm, navigation, warp activation are coordinated between both of them.

Additionally, being computer generated displays without physical controls, there’s no reason why either station cannot do the others job interchangeably
We saw that OPS and CONN had their respective controls, though we did no see that they still were like that as they typed XD

ok that makes sense, in terms of genes driving development of the structure needed for Borg signals. If they used the transporter to change older adults, they would (instead of genetic changes) have to do some massive neural changes on the structural level which probably not be possible or at least wouldn't end very well for the subject (brain damage).
Here's how I see it: With nanoprobes, they can alter the brain however they want. Here they used a genetic access to the brain, and that needs to be specific for your purpose, so they had to target genes that do what they wanna do, but unfortunately these genes switch off after brain maturation.

They don't disappear, they just aren't expressed. Presumably, the genes code the formation of certain neural pathways in the prefrontal cortex that are capable of receiving Borg signals; if the cortex has already stopped forming, no new neural pathways would appear. Junk science perhaps, but I can understand what they were trying to do here.
Not junk, much better than crying baby Li2 boom.

Genetic material propagates through male/female reproductive gametes (sperm and egg), and the genetics are fixed within it (unless subject to mutations or other alterations) Age has nothing to do with it. If the genes are added to the DNA, they should remain there, why would the genes suddenly disappear after age 25. This is the part in their explanation that bothers me.
There are genes that are only active during early development. Others are only active later. Many are switched on and off all the time depending on demands.

(I think you meant parietal lobe)

I still don't get it, older humans also have parietal lobe, why can't the transport code alter it? The Borg altered Picards parietal lobe when we was Locutus and he was way past the age of 25 at the time.

Also was the transport code used many years ago to allow the parietal lobe to fully develop into this Borg brain structure?

Finally if the transporter code was used on all the youth of Starfleet, wouldn't doctors have noticed something strange was going on as they ALL would have developed structural defects in their parietal lobes?
To alter so many brains, they'd have to capture everyone first and then keep them and do this manual alteration. Their genetic way is much more subtle, only detected when too late, and works on everyone using such an infected transporter. One small protein alteration that doesn't cause symptoms could be overlooked by standard scans.

Also note that future Janeway had a transceiver on her frontal lobe to control her shuttle... ;)

I watched the video...their reading of it requires a lot of assumptions and seems like a case of "seeing what you want to see." I think they are criticizing in good faith but their framing requires one very specific reading that the overwhelming majority of fans, even LGBT ones (I am not one but have tons of friends in that community and checked with some of them before talking about this to make sure it's not just me), might not share. I think issues of identity are difficult, especially if you are a member of a community that has historically been treated poorly and has to constantly defend itself. So I'm not sure how hard to go in on this...
Yes, it's a very convoluted interpretation that makes very little sense to me. Maybe just clickbait to get views?

I wonder how many people in the last 30 years had the idea of the E-D's resurrection in their fanfiction. I've thought up many different fan theories over the years and somehow I never thought of this one. I just assumed they chopped the saucer up into pieces and it was in some garbage dump or if it was ever going to make an appearance it would be like this one.
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Where is that from?

It was mentioned that Geordi was extremely opposed to this, in the form the the younger daughter stating "against my fathers objections."

I guess Changelings that had made it to Admiral, or assistant to an Admiral, lobbied strong here. Breaking down any cognitive reservations that the leadership probably had.

But yes, it does make them look like idiots, almost as idiotic as gathering the entire fleet in one place. Although, I think we have to retcon that.
And it was made clear that the changelings took high levels of SFC, and that Geordi wrote several protest notes. If several powerful high-ranking Admirals order that, the lowlings do it. Anyone who questioned it probably was told "That's a stupid question." You'd be surprised how well it works ;)
 
Where is that from?
https://www.deviantart.com/chrisofedf/art/Star-Trek-Picard-795500026
I remember thinking that for Online it would be wild to go to Veridian III and have the saucer still be there. I imagined someone walking around the corridors with vegetation pushed in through it and the player has to get a macguffin that was left on the saucer or something. I thought I could make a picture like that in Poser. Then I saw this artist do this picture and thought "Well they've already done what I want to do and so much better!"
 
Apologies for not reading an 89 page thread. I’m a little confused, and hoping someone can explain.

The Borg altered Locutus’ DNA so he could produce offspring that would become Vox. Then Locutus was taken from them and became Picard again. Picard didn’t produce offspring for over a decade. And the Borg… just waited?

Since they had lost control of Locutus, why not just start over with somebody who was still under their control? What was so unique about Picard/Locutus that they couldn’t just do the same thing with somebody else?

Long term planning. The Borg will add your technological and biological distinctiveness to their own. It's inevitable so far as they're concerned. It's just a matter of time. The Borg have always been this relentless force, and obviously went quiet/dark after the destruction of Unimatrix 01. Meaning there's chess pieces on their board we'd never know about.

The Picard/Locutus Gambit being one of them. If they conquered the Federation using Locutus, then that plan worked. The Collective would have backups to the plans, however.

Like this is 5D Chess with multiverse timetravel levels of planning and possibility. Which the Borg really are the only ones capable of doing.

My biggest problem with Shelby's appearance in this episode was her monologue. She delivered it well, as it did what it was designed to do, but it was shocking to see the once-ambitious Commander who wanted nothing more than to captain her own starship act like, well... a glad-handing politician. I get that it was "Frontier Day" and all that - clearly a special occasion that required her appearance at the head of the fleet - but I always saw her as being a FAR better officer and capable of so much more than smiling like a blank-eyed Disney animatronic and rattling off empty platitudes. I guess that's what being a "Fleet Admiral" means. Too much like real life, I guess.

20+ years of career, clearly a captaincy that leads to her own ship, then being command of the Ent-F, the most decorated name in the entirety of Starfleet's history. She's also the "lead" speech giver for Frontier Day and so really only the first. Both Riker and Picard were to give speeches, suggesting a good portion of the day itself was being taken up steadily by legendary Starfleet Officers talking about their own experiences, hopes, dreams, what Starfleet means to them etc.

I took the Shelby speech and Frontier Day as exhibiting Starfleet's arrogance. At first, I thought the reveal would be her as a Changeling and she would be the main Changeling (beside Vadic) in charge of overseeing the Borg takeover.

But I think overall Shelby and the entire stupidity of the brass being lured into the Frontier Day event is meant to exhibit a sort of arrogance that's set in with Starfleet, to the point that it doesn't see value in older things and the wisdom of older figures, such as Picard, Riker and even the Enterprise-D (e.g., getting called the "fat one").

It reminds me a lot of Search For Spock, where Starfleet is ready to decommission the Enterprise and Captain Styles's arrogance about the Excelsior. And how that's contrasted against the strength of Kirk and his crew as a family ready to do what's necessary to help their friend.

Federation Exceptionalism had been growing for a while. Being the main heavy lifter in the Dominion-Alpha Quadrant War, basically "Winning" where all previous likely rivals either being shattered (Romulan Star Empire, Borg) tamed (Breen, Klingon Empire) or otherwise not enough of a threat to really be considered a problem (Various smaller powers).

Splendid Isolationism dialed up to 11.

It's also been a Federation slowly turning in on itself, and perhaps rightly so. When you stand at a pinnacle with little in the way of real rivals you begin to only look upon yourself.
 
https://www.deviantart.com/chrisofedf/art/Star-Trek-Picard-795500026
I remember thinking that for Online it would be wild to go to Veridian III and have the saucer still be there. I imagined someone walking around the corridors with vegetation pushed in through it and the player has to get a macguffin that was left on the saucer or something. I thought I could make a picture like that in Poser. Then I saw this artist do this picture and thought "Well they've already done what I want to do and so much better!"
I always assumed it was a given it would be taken away with Veridian IV being inhabited with a pre warp society. That’s why it’s odd that Picard seemed confused why it was there. You’d think it’s former captain would know that
 
I always assumed it was a given it would be taken away with Veridian IV being inhabited with a pre warp society. That’s why it’s odd that Picard seemed confused why it was there. You’d think it’s former captain would know that

He probably just assumed that the Saucer was dismantled and disposed of given how damaged it was. In the William Shatner novel The Return, there is a scene depicting the saucer section is vaporised in segments if i remember correctly.
 
I always assumed it was a given it would be taken away with Veridian IV being inhabited with a pre warp society. That’s why it’s odd that Picard seemed confused why it was there. You’d think it’s former captain would know that

The memorial placards in the first episode of season two revealed already that the saucer was recovered and put into the museum. I guess Picard was just confused about the drive section.
 
Long term planning. The Borg will add your technological and biological distinctiveness to their own. It's inevitable so far as they're concerned. It's just a matter of time. The Borg have always been this relentless force, and obviously went quiet/dark after the destruction of Unimatrix 01. Meaning there's chess pieces on their board we'd never know about.
Like this is 5D Chess with multiverse timetravel levels of planning and possibility. Which the Borg really are the only ones capable of doing.

Jurati won over the Borg Queen in Season 2 by pointing out that in every timeline known to the Borg, they always lose.
 
I always assumed it was a given it would be taken away with Veridian IV being inhabited with a pre warp society. That’s why it’s odd that Picard seemed confused why it was there. You’d think it’s former captain would know that
I did too but then I also thought these are the same guys who left Lore floating in space at the end of that episode so I couldn't rule anything out. I'm just more really interested in if there's some fanfiction where someone put the saucer together with another drive section in say 1998. I wonder if the existence of the E-E and "The Return" probably had a big influence on that not happening though.
 
Season 2 was really about Q's redemption.

-he helped Picard deal with past trauma.

-his intervention altered the way the Borg behave, or at least mitigated their reach by introducing a faction that then could grow

-he freed one of Soong's creations and she subsequently joined The Travelers, presumeably to obtain the powers/skills he was losing

-what he did allowed Rios to meet someone he truly loved and find a home

-he made Renee laugh instead of being afraid; not what he wanted, but if he hadn't mucked with time again to save Picard and co. he wouldn't have been there to realize his powers were doing opposite things, if working at all.

-his intervening allowed Seven to feel what it was not to be an ex-Borg for a couple of days.

-oh yeah, and he was kinda sorta cordial with Guinan.

Q junior would be very in keeping with the seasons themes. And he knows Seven.
 
the D is built for automation though, it’s much more advanced than the original enterprise.

except that it’s Geordi to pilot the ship out of space dock. It’s as if they forgot that in the 24th century the starboard station is ops and helm and navigation are the same thing.

It had already happened loads of time in the series, otherwise I would agree. Helm has a job, but it it doesn’t have to be them that does it, and definitely doesn’t have to be them that plots the course — as in the past, even Rikers done it from from his candy crush board in the horseshoe.
 
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