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[Campe]

Yes, in this case. You need a villian as a centerpoint of conflict for a limited run season.

This isn't TNG with an unlimted number of episodes to spend on philosophical musing, this is a 10 episode story that is meant to wrap up the TNG era.

We had a villain in Vadic and the rogue changelings. Then at 11:30pm, we brought in the Borg.

I think it's just people finding things to bitch about for the sake of bitching and being contrarian or generally hard to please. Or at least for some people it is that.

Or people have genuine criticisms about the show and the choices made. I can be critical and enjoy it at the same time.

 

[Campe]

It was his first stop at least because he wanted to hurt Spock. Its obvious that Earth was next since it's the "heart" of the Federation

I understand the plot machinations. I saw the movie. I’m just saying it was a nice change of pace.

 

[fireproof78]

#notaherbert

Naaah, not anti. I 100% get it. I just believe they can make different choices. One of the best things about Trek 2009 was Nero’s original target wasn’t Earth. It was Vulcan.

Yes and it can be done but then Earth became the target. It can be done if you have a focal character. But it can land a little flat like Alderaan. So it takes a certain touch and this season isn't it.

 

[Jeyl]

Exploring the vast unknowns and mysterious horizons requires a far, far longer scope season ala SNW or the old days of 20-25 episode seasons like TNG and DS9 had.

No one here is saying that Season 3 of Picard HAD to be about exploration. Heck, we got a bit of that at the end of Episode 4 which was a treat. Just take Star trek VI for example. That was a story with huge stakes involving both the Federation and the Klingon Empire, but Earth was not central to the plot. It almost was, but was pushed to the side. Did the film suffer because the conflict occured at Camp Khitomer? Not at all.

Resorting to 'Earth is in danger!' is the equivilant of a quick easy buck. Yeah, it's fun, but everyone else has done it so many times that the outcome becomes a foregone conclusion. I'm sure many here will attest that the one thing I would do if I ran Star Trek would be to wipe out the SOL system entirely. Get mportant stuff happening out there instead of back here.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm sure many here will attest that the one thing I would do if I ran Star Trek would be to wipe out the SOL system entirely.

Yeah...

 

[Jeyl]

I understand the plot machinations. I saw the movie. I’m just saying it was a nice change of pace.

Still kind of fits in with that xenocentrist schtick. Blow up any Star Trek planet you want. Vulcan, Romulus, doesn't matter. Just don't blow up Earth. If anything bad happens to Earth, we'll go back in time to save it! But if any other civilized planet gets destroyed or a whole galaxy of starships blow up because someone cried out for mommy, well, all we can do is hope for a better future.

 

[Racefuel]

No one here is saying that Season 3 of Picard HAD to be about exploration. Heck, we got a bit of that at the end of Episode 4 which was a treat. Just take Star trek VI for example. That was a story with huge stakes involving both the Federation and the Klingon Empire, but Earth was not central to the plot. It almost was, but was pushed to the side. Did the film suffer because the conflict occured at Camp Khitomer? Not at all.

TUC also retconned Federation and Klingon history and contradicted elements of already established TNG history and was fairly clearly just a copypaste of real life events.

"What if the Klingons had a Chernobyl and the Space Wall came down? BRILLIANT GO WITH IT"

Yes it was a fun story, but it was also not really an original one either.

 

[Campe]

There’s not a lot of actual original storytelling out there these days. Much of it is based on older tales using it as a base and putting a spin on it.

 

[fireproof78]

I mean, that's most stories is wanting the author's spin on it. Which is my preference since it actually gives more insight in to the author and their values than just plain old characters. It's a wonderful thing to me.

Save for the destruction of Earth. I don't get that...

 

[locborg]

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That soundtrack, listen closely at 1:04, its the goddamn ark theme from Raiders Of The Lost Ark, this can’t be a coincidence, since Matalas is also a big Indy fan…

 

[Campe]

Definitely seems to quote those first two notes. But only so many progressions one can make.

 

[Jeyl]

Yeah...

There's a difference between destroying the SOL system and wiping out all of humanity. I've watched enough Star Trek to know that Humanity is spread far and wide across the galaxy. Heck, we've got planets that are spitting images of Earth. Literally! You could even have it where most os the SOL population were able to evacuate beofre the big bad happened. Remember the wise words of Guinan.

Guinan: When the Borg destroyed my world, my people were scattered throughout the galaxy. We survived. As will Humity survive. As long as there's a handful of you to keep the spirit alive, you will prevail. Even if it takes a millennium.​

That exchange always intrigued me because at the time, I honestly thought Star Trek would do something like that. Humanity's place in the universe being forever changed but not gone. What would the Federation be like if Humanity wasn't the face of it? How would other Federation worlds handle leadership? I'd even argue that it's thanks to all the exploring that Starfleet has done that allowed most of Humanity to be ready for such an event.

 

[fireproof78]

There's a difference between destroying the SOL system and wiping out all of humanity. I've watched enough Star Trek to know that Humanity is spread far and wide across the galaxy. Heck, we've got planets that are spitting images of Earth. Literally! You could even have it where most os the SOL population were able to evacuate beofre the big bad happened.

I will commend your enthusiasm, if nothing else. Personally, it strikes me a mean spirited, cruel and basically telling the audience "Earth sucks. Good thing it's no more. Kiss it good bye." And normally I'm not big on the whole "Gene's vision" thing, but this one strikes me as so against the grain as to be a whole other franchise.

That exchange always intrigued me because at the time, I honestly thought Star Trek would do something like that. Humanity's place in the universe being forever changed but not gone. What would the Federation be like if Humanity wasn't the face of it? How would other Federation worlds handle leadership? I'd even argue that it's thanks to all the exploring that Starfleet has done that allowed most of Humanity to be ready for such an event.

I would explore this gladly...in another franchise. In Star Trek? No.

There is a big difference between saying "Let's not go to Camelot; 'tis a silly place." and never visiting Earth again and nuking the whole place. One strikes me as reasonable; the other as mean spirited, even if not intended. It basically says that humanity got it's act together and then everything changed with Earth got nuked. It's not a good look.

 

[Racefuel]

Andromedia basically had a "Earth is lost and useless" concept and it kinda fell flat.

Discovery had Earth as being hostile to the rest of the outside galaxy and it was made clear that the "Federation wasn't the Federation without Earth and Vulcan"

The idea behind Star Trek is to give hope for a better future, having the home of the human species getting wiped out in a "lol get fucked" story point is useless.

 

[fireproof78]

The idea behind Star Trek is to give hope for a better future, having the home of the human species getting wiped out in a "lol get fucked" story point is useless.

Exactly. It's all in how it's used..TOS did well by never going to Earth. Why not go back to that? Hell, pull a Starship Troopers and create Sanctuary to take the target off Earth and create a whole new capital for the Federation that is entirely neutral to all member worlds.

I get the whole "Earth is under attack" trope is lame, but it smacks of extremely anti-Earth attitude to wipe it out. Like, wow...

 

[Jeyl]

I will commend your enthusiasm, if nothing else. Personally, it strikes me a mean spirited, cruel and basically telling the audience "Earth sucks. Good thing it's no more. Kiss it good bye." And normally I'm not big on the whole "Gene's vision" thing, but this one strikes me as so against the grain as to be a whole other franchise.

Given that Star Trek Picard was the series that introduced the 'mean spirited' Starfleet that not only condones the loss of an entire race and civilization but also condoned their role as being the deciders on who gets to live and die, I would say we've been there already.

And in terms of Gene's vision, remember. It was always about Humanity. Earth in Star Trek was merely a reflection of what Gene's vision of Humanity would be like in the future. Clean, advanced and thriving. As long as you've still got Humanity, there's no reason for that core vision to change. If you don't believe me, just watch TOS again and count how many times the crew visits their modern day Earth.

There is a big difference between saying "Let's not go to Camelot; 'tis a silly place." and never visiting Earth again and nuking the whole place. One strikes me as reasonable; the other as mean spirited, even if not intended. It basically says that humanity got it's act together and then everything changed with Earth got nuked. It's not a good look.

It could have been a natural occurance, or an attack, or some random anomoly. Bad things happen to the best of us. No matter how avanced, enlightened or experienced you are, no one is immune.

SOL being destroyed would not be an attempt to say Humanity sucks now. It's giving Humanity a galaxy changing moment where they have to figure out how they're going to adapt.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Given that Star Trek Picard was the series that introduced the 'mean spirited' Starfleet that not only condones the loss of an entire race and civilization but also condoned their role as being the deciders on who gets to live and die, I would say we've been there already.

I thought that was TNG's version of the Prime Directive?

 

[Galaxy]

Spacedock holding it's own against ~300 ships? I hope they have enough CGI budget to show this.

The commander of Spacedock is going to have quite the story to tell his children about Frontier Day.

 

[Racefuel]

I thought that was TNG's version of the Prime Directive?

Oh, don’t you bring up that uncomfortable point

 

[fireproof78]

Given that Star Trek Picard was the series that introduced the 'mean spirited' Starfleet that not only condones the loss of an entire race and civilization but also condoned their role as being the deciders on who gets to live and die, I would say we've been there already.

It was there back in TOS. THIS is not new.

If you don't believe me, just watch TOS again and count how many times the crew visits their modern day Earth.

This isn't the point.

It could have been a natural occurance, or an attack, or some random anomoly. Bad things happen to the best of us. No matter how avanced, enlightened or experienced you are, no one is immune.

It will not come across that way. It will come across as "Earth sucks. Get fucked, Earth."