With you. I was glad when Joffrey died in GoT and there's nothing wrong with that.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"
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With you. I was glad when Joffrey died in GoT and there's nothing wrong with that.
I think another way to look at this is that the E-D was the last character to be introduced. I know some posters here do not believe the ships to be characters but the E-D is the most heavily explored ship, inside and out (we've even been inside a nacelle tube!) we as fans got to experience. The E-D lent a certain terroir (for lack of a better term) to TNG and thus it's more than just a vehicle. Once we got on the E-D, only then was the full team back together.
I personally don't think so, but then I don't find it very enjoyable. Again, this strikes me as a fine line between having a reaction and the full on "YES! Suck it!" type reaction being presented. I just don't find suffering very celebratory.
If it must be then do it sooner.
If the D must be treated as a character then bring them in sooner. It now feels like we've spent too much time spinning wheels to get to that big emotional moment and I for one am not warmed by it.
Yep - I didn't see anyone complaining that people were "celebrating a death" then. Granted, Joffrey was roughly a million times more unlikeable than Shelby - to me. But I won't begrudge anyone the right to like or dislike any particular character without knowing their reasons.
Never watched it. So should I be partying like it's 1986 when I watch TWOK? Finally, Khan is fucking dead man!
Now if people were celebrating Pulaski's death, that'd be different 
"Should" you be? Of course not, you can have whatever reaction you want because these are fictional characters. That's what I'm arguing.
Yes, and I find people's reactions uniquely telling in to their personality. That's what I'm arguing. And some aspects I find odd, to be polite.
Crimes of Joffrey Baratheon that earned him death: torturing animals, murder of Ned Stark and his entourage, ordering Sansa to be stripped naked and beaten publicly, ordering the assassination of all his half-siblings, ordering an assassination attempt on his uncle, forcing a prostitute to torture another to death at gunpoint, threatening to execute his own mother for daring to discipline him, and generally being a complete unrepentant psychopath.
Crimes of Elizabeth Shelby that earned her death: she was mean to Will Riker.
Crimes of Elizabeth Shelby that earned her death: she was mean to Will Riker.
Ha! maybe we can get the Powerball numbers?
Ships have been named after living people. The Jimmy Carter and the George HW Bush (which was commissioned while he was still alive) come to mind.Now if people were celebrating Pulaski's death, that'd be different
Maybe Pulaski became President of the Federation, because going by the sheer number of incurable diseases, the fact that 800 years after TNG they still can't cure Detmer's injury and remove her implant, and the fact that medical checks are so sloppy that irumodic syndrome can be misdiagnosed (this irritates me because Crusher outright said at the end of BOBW "The DNA is... returning to normal" and obviously she wasn't completely thorough on that), I don't think she magically improved the state of Federation medicine.
Clearly a monster deserving of a fate worse than death.
Also, eternal scorn.
Like Shaw as he was mean to Picard.
Now if people were celebrating Pulaski's death, that'd be different
Why would anyone want to celebrate that? She was kick-ass!
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Yes! Continued love and admiration for Katherine Pulaski, medical badass and lover of Klingon poetry.
I *still* don’t know how that shit got popular.
Geordi: Ok, plot an intercept course to disable the USS Pulaski.
Data: Ding dong, the witch is dead!
Geordi: She's still alive Data, and when this is all over I'm going to tell her you said that.
Data:
Indeed. It breaks my mind a little to hear people rave about GOT. I turned it off after one episode. Just...ugh. Real world suffering is enough for me.
My biggest problem with Shelby's appearance in this episode was her monologue. She delivered it well, as it did what it was designed to do, but it was shocking to see the once-ambitious Commander who wanted nothing more than to captain her own starship act like, well... a glad-handing politician. I get that it was "Frontier Day" and all that - clearly a special occasion that required her appearance at the head of the fleet - but I always saw her as being a FAR better officer and capable of so much more than smiling like a blank-eyed Disney animatronic and rattling off empty platitudes. I guess that's what being a "Fleet Admiral" means. Too much like real life, I guess.
And yes - I, too, was shocked to see her taken down so quickly. Someone said it up-thread, I think. PIC S3 does seem to have a cameo curse. Anyone coming out for a visit is almost certainly going to be vaporized or in some way disappeared by the end of the episode. What's the body count we have so far?
And yes - I, too, was shocked to see her taken down so quickly. Someone said it up-thread, I think. PIC S3 does seem to have a cameo curse. Anyone coming out for a visit is almost certainly going to be vaporized or in some way disappeared by the end of the episode. What's the body count we have so far?
- Ro Laren
- Moriarty
- Tuvok-who-wasn't-Tuvok
- Shelby
- Could Tasha's 5-second holo-thing be considered a cameo?