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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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Citiprime said:
You know it is possible that people watch things for different reasons. That it's possible that people find value in different things than yourself because they like watching these characters interact in these situations and going back home to the Enterprise-D recreating the dynamic of TNG.

What you seem to have wanted was a 20 episode saga where we had to lay reams and reams of exposition to justify every choice, instead of trusting the audience to just go with it, have fun, and accept the shorthand of a Star Trek episode.

The entirety of Star Trek: Picard's season 3 is no better or worse at plotting a normal TNG episode. And if we're being honest, the average TNG episode has many of the same plot, continuity and pacing issues as the criticism leveled at the the current season of Picard. But that didn't matter. A lot of people watched TNG to watch these actors do their thing with each other, and that's exactly what they're getting.
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It's terribly written and, unlike TNG, you never get the sense that there was a point to it. As long as there's a point and a flow to it I'll watch. We had none of that here.
 
Mr Awe said:
I'm guessing that budgetary constraints will preclude that. No money for all those set recreations. I kind of doubt we'll see anything other than the bridge for the Ent-D for the same reason.

It's possible we'll see other ships onscreen helping. Maybe tight shots of someone onscreen so they don't need to recreate much.

But I wouldn't expect anything like what they did for the Ent-D for other ships.
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I think the Bridge is it, a shame...at least the Ready Room and Conference room could be done.

But I get it...money money money
 
I do hope that Picard closes the book on the TNG-VOY Era of Trek, at least for another 20 years.

I love this season of Picard but what I want the most from new Trek is a late 25th century Hero Ship episodic exploration show.
 
Mr Awe said:
I'm guessing that budgetary constraints will preclude that. No money for all those set recreations. I kind of doubt we'll see anything other than the bridge for the Ent-D for the same reason.

It's possible we'll see other ships onscreen helping. Maybe tight shots of someone onscreen so they don't need to recreate much.

But I wouldn't expect anything like what they did for the Ent-D for other ships.
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I wouldn't either. I think just like how Riker made his appearance at the end of season 1. A tight shot with a set redress with just enough there to know it's Voyager and Defiant's bridge. And even then, that might be a bit much.
 
Citiprime said:
You know it is possible that people watch things for different reasons. That it's possible that people find value in different things than yourself because they like watching these characters interact in these situations and going back home to the Enterprise-D recreating the dynamic of TNG.
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As others have noted, nostalgia is a powerful tool, a drug at times. There is a measure of comfort food to TNG that impacts others that doesn't have the same impact on me. I'm less inclined towards comfort food viewing and so when a show attempts to capitalize on it I immediately hold it at arms length.

Season 3 may benefit for me on a rewatch. Once the nostalgia passes.
 
Citiprime said:
You know it is possible that people watch things for different reasons. That it's possible that people find value in different things than yourself because they like watching these characters interact in these situations and going back home to the Enterprise-D recreating the dynamic of TNG.

What you seem to have wanted was a 20 episode saga where we had to lay reams and reams of exposition to justify every choice, instead of trusting the audience to just go with it, have fun, and accept the shorthand of a Star Trek episode.

The entirety of Star Trek: Picard's season 3 is no better or worse at plotting a normal TNG episode. And if we're being honest, the average TNG episode has many of the same plot, continuity and pacing issues as the criticism leveled at the the current season of Picard. But that didn't matter. A lot of people watched TNG to watch these actors do their thing with each other, and that's exactly what they're getting.
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You typed so much but actually said literally nothing. Tell me how this is a well crafted season of Star Trek. I'm all ears.
 
fireproof78 said:
As others have noted, nostalgia is a powerful tool, a drug at times. There is a measure of comfort food to TNG that impacts others that doesn't have the same impact on me. I'm less inclined towards comfort food viewing and so when a show attempts to capitalize on it I immediately hold it at arms length.

Season 3 may benefit for me on a rewatch. Once the nostalgia passes.
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Agreed. Personally, I'm trying to accept it for what it is--a TNG closure. I think they need that, having never really had one.

I just wish there was a bit more to it than just that. But again, trying to enjoy the ride. And I was doing so well for most of the season too! :lol:

But I have taken to heart what people have said here about this taking them back to a comfortable place. I respect that. So glad they're enjoying it and getting something out of it. :beer:
 
SG-17 said:
I do hope that Picard closes the book on the TNG-VOY Era of Trek, at least for another 20 years.
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If it's 20 years, then all the TNG/DS9/VOY Cast will either be dead or too old, like the TOS Cast is right now, so that essentially means TNG/DS9/VOY getting the SNW treatment.

I think the live-action shows in the Kurtzman Era will continue on a three-tier system: a "TOS" show (SNW), a "TNG" show (Legacy?), and a "Future" show (DSC and soon SFA). That also means it'll be the "not-reboot" show where most of canon hasn't happened yet, the "nostalgia" show where almost all of canon has already happened, and the "uncharted territory" show which is so far after canon that it doesn't matter anymore.
 
Ronin'sCreamyCandle said:
I think the 25 and under concept is a strong critique of our population that is 25 and under, a lost generation with little motivation and direction. Only the older generation has a change to correct the massive overreach ( borg virus ) in our current society. And the same apparent in Picard.
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Coming late to the party, you may be reading too much into that. I think it was just a plot device to ensure that the reunited TNG crew are the only ones who can save the day.

I doubt it was meant as a critique of today's young people.
 
I don't share the enthusiasm that others have for this episode, for I am exhausted from writers going down the short and easy route to get a story to work. Like Starfleet, they are using architecture to simplify the writing process. It's easier for the writers to write stupidity and carelessness into their scripts then to write what smart people would do.

In one day, I saw an episode of Mandalorian where trained and experienced warriors act like FNGs and started chasing down enemy soldiers into an ambush, and, on the same day, I saw an episode of Star Trek where Starfleet and its personnel had amnesia. Less than twenty years earlier, their ships were hijacked by an alien computer virus which networked the ships together and had them blasting each other to bits.

I have read and heard discussions from people who say that using the transporter will result in the murder of an individual. They are going to have a field day with the new knowledge we got from this episode. This transporter system architecture literally adds new DNA to a person's biology so as to simplify the process of transportation. You go in as one person, you come out as something else. You might not even be aware of what has happened.
 
HotRod said:
A thought occurred to me, perhaps it has been brought up already, but I'm about 30 pages behind....

The Changelings knew they were working for the Borg, right?

They had Riker and Troi captured and they needed information from them, right?

Why didn't they just have them assimilated?
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A couple of reasons, assimilating Changelings would be tricky, they are not flesh and blood, but a liquid lifeform that can change shape.

Also assimilating Changelings would negate their greatest strength, their effectiveness as spies. The Changelings would be terrible spies if they had cyborg parts and had no individuality, they would lose their talent for espionage.

I like that Borg are acting more intelligent than they normally do, where they always rely on brute strength, here they demonstrate cunning and guild, patience, waiting for the right time to strike rather than just assimilating everything right away. If the Borg can adapt, they should be able to adapt their tactics as well and be willing to be sneaky and play dirty and rely on pawns like the Changelings.
 
Vadic

Ah would you please stop with the resistance is futile nonsense. Get on with your plan. Sounded promising with us infiltrating Starfleet but I have three prisoners to torture at seven, just after harvesting a new strain that's burning a hole in my pocket and still have to decide what movie to watch tonight.

Borg Queen

Locutus!

Vadic

Okay. No idea what I'm supposed to do with that information.

BORG QUEEN

Jean Luc Picard!

Vadic

Let me pop him into the database here. Ah, bald old geezer. Retired. What do you want with him?

BORG QUEEN

His son. The key to their destruction resides within him.

VADIC

Bit over the hill to be having a child isn't he?

BORG QUEEN

He sired him over twenty years ago, and he will lead the human race to its ultimate doom!

VADIC

(smirking)

So you were in an awful hurry then, yeah? Hang on, how did you know that he'd even have a son? It says here that he never married.

BORG QUEEN

(blank bewildered look)

Eh...

(pauses)

Yes. Yes, it was always known.

Vadic

(standing)

Alright, give me an address and I'll go and grab him. Then we can sit back, relax and wait for the fireworks.

BORG QUEEN

No. His mother!

VADIC

That's no problem. Grab her and replace the two of them with changelings.

BORG QUEEN

No. Frontier Day!

Vadic

Ah, that's ages away. Don't mind if

What's your fav, Alien or Aliens.?
Absolute bullshit
 
I'm a little late to the game this week and never going to read through 74 pages of posts at this point, and there is little I could say that probably hasn't been said a couple of times before now.

So I'll just say this:

This left me with the same feeling I had at the beginning of the second part of BOBW, when the Enterprise took her main shot with the deflector dish and it did nothing. That feeling: I don't know how they are going to get out of this one!

Except I expect it will somehow be Jack who saves the day in some way, shape, or form.

Oh, and au revoir, Mr. Shaw. You were a colossal failure as a starship captain, abrogating command to others at every turn. Now you reap the whirlwind.
 
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