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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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Pubert said:
It meant a lot to me. TNG was one of the few shining lights in my crap life to be honest. TNG was a comfortable place to go when I was a kid to get away from my troubles. Seeing the old ship and the crew on that bridge brought that comfort back. I'll never tire of it or change my mind. It means too much to me.
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And I completely get that, I really do. TNG meant the same for me. But this season has been very poorly written.
 
Pubert said:
It meant a lot to me. TNG was one of the few shining lights in my crap life to be honest. TNG was a comfortable place to go when I was a kid to get away from my troubles. Seeing the old ship and the crew on that bridge brought that comfort back. I'll never tire of it or change my mind. It means too much to me.
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I also have a lot of good memories tied around TNG. I'm glad it made you happy for those couple of minutes, I really am.

Cortez said:
No, we'll never change how others ingest media and accept or don't accept it, but we can still voice our opinions. And I don't come from a place or anger or hate. I'm just sad. Never want to attack other fan's opinions but want to understand why they think this is a good show. As I've said prior to this, it was awful from the start and just getting worse.
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Well, sure, I'm just saying that telling people they're going to hate it or see it poorly much further down the line doesn't change that right now they loved it. I'm not saying voice your opinions, obviously, but telling people they're not going to like it later doesn't really do much except irk people, which I'm not saying you're trying to do.

Let's be honest: the Enterprise D and our gallant crew standing on her bridge, like it was frozen in time, that's a hell of a gut punch, and while I was already soured on the episode in general, that one really brought me around for a few minutes, and I loved every second of it.

Even if I go on hating the episode, the season, the series somewhere down the line, those few minutes left an indelible impression, and I can't say I didn't love it.
 
I have an extremely absurd theory that Seven will somehow manage to get the real Tuvok (and perhaps Janeway) to Voyager and they'll join in the possible fighting next week alongside the Enterprise-D.

Do I also think the Defiant will play a role in this? I absolutely do. Who commands it? No idea.

Reason I say all of this is because it's been suggested that this season isn't just the closing chapter for the TNG crew but this era of Star Trek, which would include DS9 and Voyager. So it wouldn't surprise me if those two shows take part in the finale next week, however minimal.
 
Amasov said:
I have an extremely absurd theory that Seven will somehow manage to get the real Tuvok (and perhaps Janeway) to Voyager and they'll join in the possible fighting next week alongside the Enterprise-D.

Do I also think the Defiant will somehow play a role in this? I absolutely do. Who commands it? No idea.

Reason I say all of this is because it's been suggested that this season isn't just the closing chapter for the TNG crew but this era of Star Trek, which would include DS9 and Voyager. So it wouldn't surprise me if those two shows take part in the finale next week, however minimal.
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I’ve also seen the finale described, by those who’ve seen it, as Star Trek’s Avengers Endgame. So I’m definitely expecting legacy characters from other shows to be involved, and the ships too.
 
The Habs Fan said:
I’ve also seen the finale described, by those who’ve seen it, as Star Trek’s Avengers Endgame. So I’m definitely expecting legacy characters from other shows to be involved, and the ships too.
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That's exactly what I said to a friend today. I think this is going to be that moment. I also pointed out that on Voyager, the Emergency Command Hologram became a real thing later on in the series. If no Janeway, is it possible Picardo shows?
 
Amaris said:
As you say, nostalgia is a powerful weapon. This episode would have gotten a 2 or a 3 tops from me without the Enterprise D, but even I was pulled in by that, and so it got more than it was deserved based upon my genuine love for the glory days of TNG and all that was within it.

As we've seen, though, nostalgia is a funny thing. Give it 5 years, and a few people might say "meh, the last season was kind of shit." Give them 10 years, a whole slew of new series, and suddenly people will long for the days of Picard season 3 and its touch of home. It's cyclical.

For some people, reliving the best days of TNG with a new threat was more than enough to make this the best Star Trek they've ever watched, and that's perfectly okay. You won't feel that way, I won't feel that way, and others won't, but that's the beauty of it: we can dislike the direction the series took, and it doesn't really affect us outside of the normal fan issues we have with such things.

Look at all of the happy people, though. Look at how happy so many here are, how much it moved them, how many it brought to tears, and that's not even counting the series finale.

So in the end it won't really matter. Just take the best you can from it and let the rest go (outside of discussion, of course, otherwise there'd be no point in reruns).
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I agree. Nostalgia is why I love Season 2 much more than any other live NuTrek so far.
 
The closing of this episode hit me right in the feels! I got a massive nostalgia attack seeing the Enterprise-D in all its beautiful glory! I yelled "NO FREAKIN' WAY!" at least, like, three times. Oh and when we were shown the bridge, my hand was over my mouth as I was so awestruck it wasn't even funny!

The whole scene with them on the bridge had me feeling like I'd gone back in time to the early 1990s when I was a young child watching TNG on my local UPN affiliate. At that moment, it felt like i was watching a new episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation rather than Star Trek: Picard. Right when Picard said "Engage," I even did that little hand gesture right with him too!

But then again I'm also sad because next week is supposed to be the series finale. Oh how great it was seeing the whole TNG senior crew reunited and it felt so good. I remember how when I first saw the "cast announcement" trailer for S3 and seeing all seven names for the principle cast of TNG it hit me right in the feels but seeing the Enterprise D again and its bridge for the first time since 1994... OMG the nostalgia attack I got from that was no joke and it excited me ten times over!
 
Amaris said:
I also have a lot of good memories tied around TNG. I'm glad it made you happy for those couple of minutes, I really am.


Well, sure, I'm just saying that telling people they're going to hate it or see it poorly much further down the line doesn't change that right now they loved it. I'm not saying voice your opinions, obviously, but telling people they're not going to like it later doesn't really do much except irk people, which I'm not saying you're trying to do.

Let's be honest: the Enterprise D and our gallant crew standing on her bridge, like it was frozen in time, that's a hell of a gut punch, and while I was already soured on the episode in general, that one really brought me around for a few minutes, and I loved every second of it.

Even if I go on hating the episode, the season, the series somewhere down the line, those few minutes left an indelible impression, and I can't say I didn't love it.
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I said that once about possibly hating it down the road, about how I think Star Trek fanfare is more important than plot sometimes. I never told that to people; I was talking to you.

Them on the Enterprise literally meant nothing to me while all the carnage was going on.

I can't say if I'll love or hate it down the road. If I were a betting man though....
 
A thought occurred to me, perhaps it has been brought up already, but I'm about 30 pages behind....

The Changelings knew they were working for the Borg, right?

They had Riker and Troi captured and they needed information from them, right?

Why didn't they just have them assimilated?
 
Cortez said:
I said that once about possibly hating it down the road, about how I think Star Trek fanfare is more important than plot sometimes. I never told that to people; I was talking to you.

Them on the Enterprise literally meant nothing to me while all the carnage was going on.

I can't say if I'll love or hate it down the road. If I were a betting man though....
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I guess only time will tell, you know? You might end up being right. Then again, it'd be interesting if you ended up pining for the days of Picard season 3 when Star Trek: Discovery Legacies comes out in 2035. :ouch:
 
Cortez said:
No, we'll never change how others ingest media and accept or don't accept it, but we can still voice our opinions. And I don't come from a place or anger or hate. I'm just sad. Never want to attack other fan's opinions but want to understand why they think this is a good show. As I've said prior to this, it was awful from the start and just getting worse.
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You know it is possible that people watch things for different reasons. That it's possible that people find value in different things than yourself because they like watching these characters interact in these situations and going back home to the Enterprise-D recreating the dynamic of TNG.

What you seem to have wanted was a 20 episode saga where we had to lay reams and reams of exposition to justify every choice, instead of trusting the audience to just go with it, have fun, and accept the shorthand of a Star Trek episode.

The entirety of Star Trek: Picard's season 3 is no better or worse at plotting a normal TNG episode. And if we're being honest, the average TNG episode has many of the same plot, continuity and pacing issues as the criticism leveled at the the current season of Picard. But that didn't matter. A lot of people watched TNG to watch these actors do their thing with each other, and that's exactly what they're getting.
 
If you're talking about one of the worst sins in terms of character fluctuations and inconsistency it was that initial scene with Picard and Jack. They have their discussion, (well acted, but going nowhere fast) and then Jack, after seeing the security guards turns back to Picard and reprimands him over not being a father to him. I mean seriously....
 
Amasov said:
I have an extremely absurd theory that Seven will somehow manage to get the real Tuvok (and perhaps Janeway) to Voyager and they'll join in the possible fighting next week alongside the Enterprise-D.

Do I also think the Defiant will play a role in this? I absolutely do. Who commands it? No idea.

Reason I say all of this is because it's been suggested that this season isn't just the closing chapter for the TNG crew but this era of Star Trek, which would include DS9 and Voyager. So it wouldn't surprise me if those two shows take part in the finale next week, however minimal.
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I'm guessing that budgetary constraints will preclude that. No money for all those set recreations. I kind of doubt we'll see anything other than the bridge for the Ent-D for the same reason.

It's possible we'll see other ships onscreen helping. Maybe tight shots of someone onscreen so they don't need to recreate much.

But I wouldn't expect anything like what they did for the Ent-D for other ships.
 
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