Jack and Borg taking control with just biology is a new concept that hasn’t been done before
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"
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Even though I didn't pay for this log specifically, I paid to see Generations and First Contact in theaters, so I feel a little complicit in the destruction of Star Trek. I should have never supported it as long as I did.
Please. One person is not responsible nor is Trek destroyed. I love a good hyperbole more than anyone but the rumors of Trek's destruction are long overblown and ridiculous in their prognostication.
That isn't a new concept. That's an ass pull to cover for the fact that they couldn't organically--get it? organically--come up with an exciting plot twist without simply doing something that was unpredictable because it made zero sense.
Think about how stupid the concept is. They LITERALLY HAVE MATTER TO ENERGY TRANSPORTERS. There is no "hidden DNA." It's a STUPID idea that makes NO sense.
It also retroactively makes Picard a sleeper agent in the second half of TNG, which makes me want to projectile vomit.
What swill.
The tonal whiplash in "Nepenthe" bothered me because I gave half a damn about Hugh and Elnor. It didn't bother me here because the scope of the threat is big enough that it's essentially no-stakes - we know the La Forge girls will be fine, the Federation will be fine, the rest of the bridge crew are redshirts in all but color palette, and there's no way this season ends on anything but a win for the TNG crew. I'm not even 100% on Shaw being dead. So yeah, agreed that the sudden swerve from Borgified body horror to a stroll down memory lane isn't great for what the audience is supposed to be feeling, but probably appropriate for the actual amount of work actually put in to making this all feel like there could be real consequences. Would have been nice if there had at least been something along the lines of Worf's "when we were on the bridge of the Enterprise..." speech out of DS9, though.
All good points, and probably why it didn't bother me too much. I get being calm and doing what needs to be done. I personally feel like I wouldn't be cracking jokes though, but I can see how that could be a way Geordi might deal with the stress.
Not complaining at all, but if Geordi was restoring the Enterprise, then wouldn't that have been at its last incarnation? Like the Bridge we saw in Generations. I actually really like this version.
It's a good bet this was discussed heavily amongst the producers and writers, and they decided to go with the iconic television version. And I can understand why. Not complaining at all here. Just an observation.
It's a good bet this was discussed heavily amongst the producers and writers, and they decided to go with the iconic television version. And I can understand why. Not complaining at all here. Just an observation.
gonna rewatch after work with a clear-non groggy head. But I will say it does feel like the only reason Shaw died was just to set up Seven as Captain if “Legacy” does become a thing. And I think that’s kinda crappy.
gotta think they didn’t expect Shaw to become a fan fav or it wouldn’t have played out that way.
gotta think they didn’t expect Shaw to become a fan fav or it wouldn’t have played out that way.
Yes it is.
100%. While I have been super critical of this season and certainly this episode, I (1) have found some enjoyment in it otherwise I wouldn’t be here and (2) realize that my opinion is my subjective viewpoint based upon my feelings around Star Trek. Nothing more. Nothing less. Those who feel their opinions (because that’s all that this is is discussing our opinions) are objective have a pretty high opinion of themselves.
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It was expected. Matalas said something early on about Shaw starting off unlikable, but how Matalas hoped he'd be a fan favorite by the end of the season.
I wouldn't go as far as slander. Just ignorance. By someone who many doesn't read books.
Genetic trauma, in this instance, refers to the ‘sins of the father’ style conceit doing the rounds these days that suggests trauma is passed down through family, even if it’s not enacted. I.e your parents had a shit time, so as a result it affects you.
In Treks case, Jack has literally inherited some of Jean Lucs telepathic hangover.
However, last season — which was naff ultimately, and you didn’t watch — Picard himself had recurring dream/thoughts about a door he was afraid to open. Which was part of that seasons plot (and a bit rubbish) in very much the same way Jack is having door imagery stuff here.
So, what you think is poorly constructed trash is actually a reference to earlier work of which you are unaware.
Though, I assume you are aware of how often TNG in particular liked to use dream imagery in many episodes, one of which in particular has also already been referenced this season.
So it is also a thematic use of elements common to TNG (and anything Braga got his hands on, not always for the better) and also ties in to the wider themes of inheritance and legacy at play in this series.
I really liked the ep.
Pros:
The Borg cube actually looked scary in the nebula. Also it looks like it as transmitting equipment or something on the top of it.
Shaw naming Seven correctly, it was heartfelt.
Shaw knowing ahout the code 99 (or whatever it was called) and using that to get to maintence deck, it is cool seeing a Captain who isn't just come science prodigy like Janeway and Picard, but someone with more street smarts.
The fleet and all the ships at Spacedock, there were so many classes of starships. Loved seeing even a Defiant class in there.
Those last few minutes on the D bridge. TNG was my first trek, and what got me into it. I really felt those scenes, brought me back to my teenage years.
Cons:
Nebula scene should have been in the Badlands, it seemed like that was where that was.
I am not sure I buy this partnership between the Borg and Changlings.
Still don't know who the talking head is, but it seems to be the Borg queen if I was guessing.
I have some pretty good ideas how they are going to undo all of this assimilation of everyone.
But I really hope the Borg queen is not Dr. Crusher.
Pros:
The Borg cube actually looked scary in the nebula. Also it looks like it as transmitting equipment or something on the top of it.
Shaw naming Seven correctly, it was heartfelt.
Shaw knowing ahout the code 99 (or whatever it was called) and using that to get to maintence deck, it is cool seeing a Captain who isn't just come science prodigy like Janeway and Picard, but someone with more street smarts.
The fleet and all the ships at Spacedock, there were so many classes of starships. Loved seeing even a Defiant class in there.
Those last few minutes on the D bridge. TNG was my first trek, and what got me into it. I really felt those scenes, brought me back to my teenage years.
Cons:
Nebula scene should have been in the Badlands, it seemed like that was where that was.
I am not sure I buy this partnership between the Borg and Changlings.
Still don't know who the talking head is, but it seems to be the Borg queen if I was guessing.
I have some pretty good ideas how they are going to undo all of this assimilation of everyone.
But I really hope the Borg queen is not Dr. Crusher.
oh, it’s been clear to me he was probably gonna die for a few weeks and that he die “taking the bullet” for someone. It’s just to do it in order to make Seven the Captain feels…eh…
maybe it will play better when I see it not still half asleep.
A hack, in writing terms, is a writer who only produces anything that’s basically written in a rush in a workman like way, with no flair or artistry, or technique. Saget appears to be unaware of this with his post, though the term is thrown around a lot these days.
I would suggest it is objectively untrue in this case, as if nothing else, the way things have been foreshadowed and sewn into the season, as well the use of many references to TNG forming sensible parts of the plot — consider the pop goes the weasel on Daystrom — demonstrates that even if people don’t like it, or do find some of it a bit janky (hand to hand Worf vs changelings is… odd) that it is not a hack job.
It comes from hacking away at a typewriter in the old days, to get something, anything, done and ready in time — Roddenberry himself was known to occasionally be a hack, by his own standards.
I mean she would have been captain no matter how Shaw died. Chain of command and all that.
It would be impossible for her not to become captain, unless she was relived of duty when he dided.
It's not too hard to see that as human hubris..."it's not the same thing at all; it's US and we are better, so...."