Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

[gvn2fly]

Or how they found out Picard had died.

Also, to play devil's advocate, the Borg couldn't very well just invade Daystrom.

Still, a lot of mental gymnastics for all these plots to come together.

and these questions kept coming up while I was watching.

 

[Sci]

I still don't know why Picard hasn't approached the Qowat Milat for help. They have a hopeless cause.

Or the Klingons... surely the empire won't go for any of this silly networked ship nonsense?

Or the Coppelius Androids!

So far, it’s about older people being killed by brainwashed youth, under the influence of another youth directly attached to that older generation.

It's literally about brainwashed young people under the control of evil foreigners.

It is not subtle. Your reading of it, and whether it is liked (not you specifically, a metaphorical you) will depend greatly on the last episode, and whose politics/ideology you think is being criticised and how.

I mean, it's entirely possible to enjoy a work of art whose politics I think is bad. The Dark Knight is a brilliant film even if its politics are fundamentally reactionary.

The changelings we have had are *not* Dominion. They are radicalised zealots who have literally harmed themselves in order to get their revenge. Of course they would do a deal with the Borg. These are Daesh Dominion.

These rogue Changelings making a deal with the Borg makes about as much sense as DAESH teaming up with a country that will immediately turn around and try to nuke the entire Middle East. Helping the Borg endangers the Great Link. Even if they are willing to die themselves to spite the Federation, it beggars belief that they would endanger the Link.

Huge chunks of the late DS9 stuff was heavily based in ‘Reds under the Bed’ bodysnatcher stuff, with two superpowers, both of whom were paranoid about the other. It’s the Dominion that took over East Ger… I mean the Cardassian Union though.

That seems like a stretch. Nothing about Dominion ideology or culture is particularly communitarian except maybe the Link itself. And even the Link had plenty of internal strife.

 

[Tuskin38]

I’ve posted about this in other threads recently. The portal attack doesn’t make a lot of sense

It was a distraction

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

I don't know why everyone is so puzzled about the different factions in the conspiracy. Here's a simple youtube explainer:

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[gvn2fly]

It was a distraction

yea but why did they need one?

 

[Campe]

It was a distraction

Stealing the portal was a distraction to steal another weapon: Picard. Which really didn’t do a lot that we know about. But the real weapon is Jack?

Convoluted.

 

[cooleddie74]

Now that was fanwank so rich and strong that I'm gonna need methadone after those 47 minutes.

It wasn't great. I can't even argue the plot was really good. But man, was that Star Trek fanwank dialed up to 11. And I enjoyed the ride.

 

[jaime]

Stealing the portal was a distraction to steal another weapon: Picard. Which really didn’t do a lot that we know about. But the real weapon is Jack?

Convoluted.

They needed Picard to copy his ‘recieve’ Bluetooth module in his parietal lobe. They needed Jack for a working, matured, ‘transmit’ Bluetooth module.

 

[gvn2fly]

Stealing the portal was a distraction to steal another weapon: Picard. Which really didn’t do a lot that we know about. But the real weapon is Jack?

Convoluted.

And Jack conveniently went to the borg right as frontier day started. So if Picard had just waited to tell jack ir if Deanna didn’t find out who he was he probably would have just stayed on the titan and the borg’s plan wouldn’t have worked (until maybe later when he couldn’t help himself).

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

Stealing the portal was a distraction to steal another weapon: Picard. Which really didn’t do a lot that we know about. But the real weapon is Jack?

Well you see, the portal terrorist attack also served to draw attention to Daystrom Station and alert non-infiltrated elements of Starfleet that security needs to be increased, which is a good idea for the conspirators to do, for... some reason?

 

[cooleddie74]

Several nods to ENT in this episode. We even see the NX-01 refit in the background as the reconstructed Enterprise-D glides out the doors of the Fleet Museum.

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

They needed Picard to copy his ‘recieve’ Bluetooth module in his parietal lobe. They needed Jack for a working, matured, ‘transmit’ Bluetooth module.

I know that Bluetooth is unreliable, but that didn't make that much sense to be, because if the Borg Queen is involved, she has all the transmitters she needs, right?

 

[gvn2fly]

Well you see, the portal terrorist attack also served to draw attention to Daystrom Station and alert non-infiltrated elements of Starfleet that security needs to be increased, which is a good idea for the conspirators to do, for... some reason?

shhhh just look at the enterprise d and listen to the Star Trek fanfare

 

[gvn2fly]

I know that Bluetooth is unreliable, but that didn't make that much sense to be, because if the Borg Queen is involved, she has all the transmitters she needs, right?

You would think they could get a copy of that receiver dna from drones

 

[Campe]

They needed Picard to copy his ‘recieve’ Bluetooth module in his parietal lobe. They needed Jack for a working, matured, ‘transmit’ Bluetooth module.

That’s right. They did say that. Still, a little convoluted.

 

[Campe]

You would think they could get a copy of that receiver dna from drones

Right. What made Locutus so unique that it couldn’t have been repeated?

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

Right. What made Locutus so unique that it couldn’t have been repeated?

For this one maybe, that she tried to make him more than just another drone? Or that he has mummy issues?

 

[Campe]

shhhh just look at the enterprise d and listen to the Star Trek fanfare

Thats what Terry wants you to do. The “savior of Star Trek.” Heh. Not in my book.

 

[gvn2fly]

Right. What made Locutus so unique that it couldn’t have been repeated?

this one actually took me out of the episode while I was watching. If the borg are involved why did they need picard’s body for borg dna?

Also, is jack only a transmitter because he’s the son of an x Bort? No other borg has had this ability before? Seems like something the borg should be able to replicate considering it’s their biology in jack?

 

[cooleddie74]

Terry's okay. But after the past 20 years I'd rather not bow at the altar of any Trek showrunner, thank you. DS9 is my second-favorite of the series and I just know if I openly worshipped the talents of Ira Steven Behr I'd find out the next day that he ate kittens and randomly punched old ladies in the knees.