Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"
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I'm sorry, but the literalizing of the generational divide is just there in the text. It is literally about the old folks stopping brainwashed young people.
Again, this is fixating over in-universe details. That's not relevant. What's relevant is the storytelling trope that is being used, and that trope is "brainwashing/mind control."
No, it's not, because the rogue Changelings should be able to recognize that the newly-empowered Borg will just turn around and try to assimilate or exterminate the Great Link the first chance they get. They are literally acting against their species' best interests.
What? The Dominion were never allegories about communism. The initial creative inspiration for them according to the DS9 Companion interviews was the Mafia.
Money has a powerful way of bringing people back from the dead. If Paramount realizes how big of a deal a Star Trek Legacy show (with Shaw) would be the man they'd retcon that death in a heartbeat.
Not only that, it's a pretty reactionary view that youngsters are corrupted by groupthink in a way that wise old heads are not. Grandfather knows best? Pretty odd analogy for Star Trek to embrace.
But now I see why all these old fans were so on-board with this season and were actively courted by the producers.
Right, but we are wondering why the rogue element would do something that might endanger the Link. TBH I don't think it's a huge issue. "That's a problem for tomorrow..."
I did always think it was lame at the end of DS9 how the Founder just accepted that the Federation were benevolent (or at least non aggressive). It was very sudden. So it's good that they made that a bit more realistic.
They don’t have the budget for that. That means making new sets.
Shh. Don't tell Steve Austin, who got upset over Jaime Summers' death in that one episode - but then she got the spin-off, which was so strongly written and acted that newfound fans wrote off the TSMDM episode and preferred the retcon, rightly so.
I don't recall TBW's pilot episode, but the theme sequence showed the surgery that saved her life. I don't think they ever explained it, but the series was so strong and good that I don't think people at the time cared. They had the actors, a strong and positive direction, and verve. They didn't need to. The new show sold itself with its strengths soon enough. And pretty much the whole of season 2 is a masterpiece.
Huh? No she didn’t. Peace was the only way to get the cure to her people.
So far, it’s about older people being killed by brainwashed youth, under the influence of another youth directly attached to that older generation. It is not subtle. Your reading of it, and whether it is liked (not you specifically, a metaphorical you) will depend greatly on the last episode, and whose politics/ideology you think is being criticised and how. An important consideration in that comes from what you identify the old guard (represented by the TNG crew) as in this allegory. They were the future once, as it were.
The changelings we have had are *not* Dominion. They are radicalised zealots who have literally harmed themselves in order to get their revenge. Of course they would do a deal with the Borg. These are Daesh Dominion. They would literally cut their nose off to spite their face, but only after having a chat with it. They are also abandoned veterans of a war, that feel betrayed, and have in essence been radicalised by Vadic with the backing of the remnant Borg. Again, it is *not* subtle.
Huge chunks of the late DS9 stuff was heavily based in ‘Reds under the Bed’ bodysnatcher stuff, with two superpowers, both of whom were paranoid about the other. It’s the Dominion that took over East Ger… I mean the Cardassian Union though.
It has *never* been subtle.
Well she bought Odo's speech about how the Feds didn't have a desire for conquest, and how they would prevent the other AQ species from attacking the Dominion.
I’ve noticed people want to diminish Matalas’ involvement in season 2 since they want him to be the savior of the franchise but he did more than help. He became co Showrunner in 2019 before season 1 even aired and developed the season story. The time travel season plot and the q stories were his ideas. He’s the one who pitched the q story to delancie. Many of the season 3 writers also wrote for season 2. Goldman’s contribution was mainly the Picard trauma plot and taking over as complete Showrunner while season 2 was filming.
I’ve posted about this in other threads recently. The portal attack doesn’t make a lot of sense
Or how they found out Picard had died.
Also, to play devil's advocate, the Borg couldn't very well just invade Daystrom.
Still, a lot of mental gymnastics for all these plots to come together.
A lot about this season doesn’t make a lot of sense.
I used to think that until I rewatched DS9. It's all made very clear in an earlier episode - I think it's Broken Link - the Founder leader says that all they really want is for Odo to be back in the Link, and the Federation, Dominion etc is all trivial to them.
He makes a decision to return to the Link and give himself fully to them, not simply deliver the cure and go. That's what really swings it for her.
It doesn't. I didn't even know what I was seeing at first.
This whole season is basically, "Hey, Patrick Stewart is finally a go for TNG Season 8, so let's make Picard have a son, and then..."
Next week I'll buy some caramel corn and ginger ale for the series finale and just enjoy the ride.