so...classic Star Trek then. Got it.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x08 - "Surrender"
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Also data experiencing old age was a fantastic evolution for his character. Also glad we can forget about that last creepy death in season 1.
"She's gone from suck to blow!"
I still think it's pretty funny (and ironic) that as eager as Brent Spiner was to NOT play Data anymore (after NEM)...he's awfully into it now! 
I was thinking the exact same thing. I recall going back to TNG Season 3 what two years ago and was amazed at the contrivances and rolling my eyes. While I find TNG passable as entertainment, it definitely did not live up to the Holy Grail status that I find around hereso...classic Star Trek then. Got it.
I use to hate building things and now I absolutely love it. People change.I still think it's pretty funny (and ironic) that as eager as Brent Spiner was to NOT play Data anymore (after NEM)...he's awfully into it now!
I don't know that it's a snub so much as writing under different constraints. So far as Chabon was aware, there was never going to be anything like a full on TNG reunion, because their lead/one of the producers was dead set against it. The best his team could do was to sunset the TNG characters piecemeal. Matalas got the go ahead to do the reunion bit, and that necessitated walking back a couple of the retirements. I don't even think it's a stretch to get Riker and Troi permanently off Nepenthe - all one has to do is ask how easy it would be to live in a place where you're surrounded by the reminder that your Hail Mary attempt to save your kid came too late. I just wish the execution hadn't been so convoluted.
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Obviously there's a story to a lesser or greater extent, but we're eight episodes in now. Six hours. Where has it gotten us? The old crew getting back together? They should be dragged out of that ready room and told to feck off. Seven of nine should be locked up.
You are aware that many times when you post it makes you seem like you’ve never seen any Star Trek before or you’re just arguing dishonestly, right?
And in whatever story you want to write, they can do just that. Until then, keep moving the goalposts. It’s good for the biceps and the quads.
(Again, not trying to persuade you to like it, just looking for consistency—like some look for it in TV shows.)
I never attack the person who's replying to me, always talk about the show. If you don't like my posts, good luck. Otherwise actually respond to what I've stated.
In every season of TNG there was something the crew should have been drawn up on charges for, same with First Contact and Insurrection.
I find the screaming about plot contrivance and realism to be less an attempt at genuine criticism and more an attempt to sound clever while just being bland, garden variety angerbait
I find the screaming about plot contrivance and realism to be less an attempt at genuine criticism and more an attempt to sound clever while just being bland, garden variety angerbait
And in whatever story you want to write, they can do just that. Until then, keep moving the goalposts. It’s good for the biceps and the quads.
(Again, not trying to persuade you to like it, just looking for consistency—like some look for it in TV shows.)
I'm genuinely not moving any goalposts. The next episode should see Captain Shaw berating them over what his entire crew has gone through, and putting Jeri Ryan in a holding cell. It's not going to happen.,
Your argument is based on older shows. I couldn't give a shit about older shows right now. I'm talking about the here and now.
Yeah. Okay.
Picard actively disobeyed orders multiple times and actively rebelled against a ranking admiral with no proof that the said admiral was acting outside of Starfleet orders, stole a federation starship and engaged in an armed rebellion against authorized Starfleet actions and a mission that he was ordered to not interfere with.
Riker willfully broke treaty obligations and engaged in an illegal coverup and had no real consequences.
Data stole the enterprise, twice.
Your examples of how what is happening isn’t realistic is correct, but it’s entirely and completely within the historical record and pattern of Star Trek
The older shows and movies set the tone for Star Trek and the fact you’re willing to instantly dismiss them is more or less just demonstrating that you expect Star Trek to be something it has never been
But you cannot claim things were better in the older shows as proof of how the new show sucks and simultaneously complain that others are using examples from the older shows as proof that the problems are endemic to Trek itself. Goose, gander, etc.
Appropriately though it's a turkey outside my office window, strangely...
I've said it on multiple occasions that I don't give a shite about the old stuff; all I want is good storytelling. I don't give a crap about a few plot holes... that's a given in storytelling... just accept it cuz you're having fun. This show haas so many plot holes ..
Appropriately though it's a turkey outside my office window, strangely...
I sense fowl play in this thread...
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Then why are you wasting your time watching Star Trek (in any form)?
Look, I love the Star trek franchise (and TOS first and foremost); but it's NEVER been written in a consistent/bullet proof fashion WRT story. A story that really holds up to 'close scrutiny' in the Star trek franchise from 1964 (starting with the pilot The Cage) through TAS - the feature films (TOS & TNG) and ESPECIALLY the Berman & Braga era (TNG,DS9,VOY, ENT) to today is an EXTREMELY RARE occurrence and is more a confluence of luck.
After 59 years, to suddenly expect a paradigm shift...
So yeah, go watch something else that meets your criteria that you (I guess) will actually enjoy.
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