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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x08 - "Surrender"

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Weyoun dying was my favorite part. I grew tired of his blank stare after one episode.

Vadic is my favorite villain since Nero. Beautiful work by Fuller showing the strained psyche and pain.

I will say I liked it when the one Weyoun clone caught feelings and defected and they had to activate another Weyoun to replace him and they had a shit flinging match at each other
 
Weyoun dying was my favorite part. I grew tired of his blank stare after one episode.

Vadic is my favorite villain since Nero. Beautiful work by Fuller showing the strained psyche and pain.
In Vadic's defence, she at least had a compelling reason to despise Starfleet, which was really nicely explained. On the other hand, I still haven't figured out why Nero wanted to destroy Vulcan. "I want to destroy Vulcan because Spock tried to save my people but failed". Wtf?
 
Much of my criticism is rooted in where we are “now.” When the season ends and I’m able to look at it all holistically, much of my complaints could turn out to be irrelevant. This is just how I am with serialized storytelling. My impatience has a tendency to get the best of me and play a huge role in how I feel about the story being told.

It’s one of my many personal flaws. I'm emo. Shut up.
 
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In Vadic's defence, she at least had a compelling reason to despise Starfleet, which was really nicely explained. On the other hand, I still haven't figured out why Nero wanted to destroy Vulcan. "I want to destroy Vulcan because Spock tried to save my people but failed". Wtf?
"Emotions run deeply in our race. In many ways more so than the humans." Nero had a complete psychotic break watching his world destroyed. In his grief he lashed out and focused on Spock. Makes perfect sense to me. But you cannot be logical about it.
 
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All I want to know is who’s going to join us this week for the Zoom discussion of the episode? It was nice meeting someone new last week and I hope to meet another someone new this week :bolian:

Link will be posted in the thread in the General Trek Forum at the time of the meeting, this Saturday at 9 PM London time / 4 PM Eastern.

As always, nothing is ever recorded, you can come and go as you please, and you don’t even have to be on camera if you don’t want to. Just come and let’s talk “Surrender” with fellow Trekkies.

There were a lot of little things I liked in this episode…and I actually found myself hoping they do more media tie-in novels for this series/era after the show ends, regardless of Legacy becomes a thing or not. Like, I hope Una McCormack has at least one more PIC novel in her.
 
"Emotions run deeply in our race. In many ways more so than the humans." Nero had a completely psychotic break watching his world destroyed. In his grief he lashed out and focused on Spock. Makes perfect sense to me. But you cannot be logical about it.
This. The way he speaks to people is so detached. His grip on reality was anchored by his wife and kids, and they were destroyed. I think any of us would have snapped in such a situation.
 
So Vadic’s hand says all other priorities are meaningless aside from getting jack

Jack doesn’t want to open the red door. Vadic wanted him to do it.

Now Troi also wants him to do it

Seems to me that Troi is a changeling, sacrificing Vadic was necessary because the important thing isn’t infiltrating starfleet or disrupting frontier day, it’s opening this door.

But that seems like such a shame given the various reunion scenes etc that we’ve seen already. I thus hope Troi isn’t a changeling, unless there’s still one on board and the one we saw in the briefing room wasn’t the same one we saw in the final scene.

Or was there a reason I missed that Troi was pushing to open this door? How did she know about the door anyway.
 
So Vadic’s hand says all other priorities are meaningless aside from getting jack

Jack doesn’t want to open the red door. Vadic wanted him to do it.

Now Troi also wants him to do it

Seems to me that Troi is a changeling, sacrificing Vadic was necessary because the important thing isn’t infiltrating starfleet or disrupting frontier day, it’s opening this door.

But that seems like such a shame given the various reunion scenes etc that we’ve seen already. I thus hope Troi isn’t a changeling, unless there’s still one on board and the one we saw in the briefing room wasn’t the same one we saw in the final scene.

Or was there a reason I missed that Troi was pushing to open this door? How did she know about the door anyway.
Troi: Open the door!

Jack: I will. After Frontier Day. Surely you won't have a problem with that right?
 
Seems to me that Troi is a changeling, sacrificing Vadic was necessary because the important thing isn’t infiltrating starfleet or disrupting frontier day, it’s opening this door.
Well this version of Troi seems to have the ability to perform mind melds which I don't think she had the ability to do so before.
 
Picard to Will: “About Deanna, that accent…”
Will: “She went to school in London, never shook it.”
Picard: “Yes, that happens a lot”

Will: I’ve been meaning to ask, and what with all the years passing… you’re French right? Aren’t they pretty big on keeping the language pure? Where’s your accent from?
Picard: My fathers family were refugees after Brexit. And I went to school in Yorkshire, I just never shook it.
Will: Yorkshire? They talk like that there?
Picard: We do not discuss it with outsiders.
 
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