Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x08 - "Surrender"

[erotavlas]

I kind of agree with the sentiment. The writers seem to be just trying things up neatly in a way that makes things easy for them, rather than provide a more plausible series of events.

 

[Greg Cox]

De-aging CGI is really really expensive. Not sure they could afford it this season.

And let's be honest: People would constantly be complaining that it looked fake and was distracting.

"Why can't they just allow Data to age rather than trying to pretend the Spiner hasn't?"

 

[Amaris]

De-aging CGI is really really expensive. Not sure they could afford it this season.

Agreed. That didn't bother me at all. People age, and as much as I'd like to think of him as the immortal android, Brent Spiner's only human.

 

[Racefuel]

The entire purpose of this season has been to finish the TNG story with a satisfying conclusion.

There was always the hope to have a robust film legacy for the TNG crew with a good conclusion, ala TUC for the TOS crew. That didn't happen because it was clear the winds were no longer filling the sails and that Star Trek was going into a period of decline.

Picard establishes his legacy and redeems himself as savior of the Federation

Riker and Troi repair their marriage, work through grief

Data becomes human and gets to experience the totality of humanity

Geordi gets his family and a safe, happy life

The idea isn't a status quo..its a conclusion

 

[fireproof78]

I kind of agree with the sentiment. The writers seem to be just trying things up neatly in a way that makes things easy for them, rather than provide a more plausible series of events.

Well, when you're dealing with AI transfer I feel that a certain level of implausibility is a part of the text.

And let's be honest: People would constantly be complaining that it looked fake and was distracting.

"Why can't they just allow Data to age rather than trying to pretend the Spiner hasn't?"

Again, I think people forget TNG that lampshades this as well:
Geordi has got Juliana's forehead open)
LAFORGE: Basically she's a Soong-type android, except everything about her is designed to fool you into thinking she's human.
CRUSHER: She's got tear ducts, sweat glands, even veins and capillaries underneath her skin.
RIKER: Why does the scanner read her as a human?
CRUSHER: Because she has a feedback processor designed to send out a false bio-signal.
LAFORGE: It's part of her aging programme. Not only does she age in appearance like Data, her vital signs change too.
(TNG Inheritance)

It's funny to me how often this gets mentioned and yet this little technical detail is missed, even by Spiner.

 

[cooleddie74]

And let's be honest: People would constantly be complaining that it looked fake and was distracting.

"Why can't they just allow Data to age rather than trying to pretend the Spiner hasn't?"

Luke from The Mandalorian Season 2.

So controversial Disney ended up hiring the Deepfake artist who gave us a better 1980s Era Mark Hamill. So....yeah. It wouldn't have ended well.

 

[Racefuel]

Just look at the de-aged Data from Picards hallucinations in S1..

There's no reason to think we'd get anything remarkably better than that

 

[Greg Cox]

Heck, people were nitpicking the de-aged Picard and Riker in that bar scene early this season.

 

[Racefuel]

Okay hold up.

Hold the fuck up.

Did we ever get an explanation about how Picard knew about Soji and such in Season 1? Remember the painting in the archives and seeing Data paint it and randomly being connected now?I cannot remember or the random Data dreaming that had obvious prophetic or telepathic attributes?

Can that be linked to Jack now?

 

[Noname Given]

The only reason I suspect Data is just a *touch* more robotic is because of him being able to project the holodisplay in E6 and having the ODN connection plugged into his neck in E7 and E8

What? Picard probably has the same ports and hologram projection capability in his Golem body as well. At the end of PICARD S1 he was even told his new body would/could last for centuries, but they programmed in a suitable near tern 'shutdown time' so that Picard would eventually 'die', He's not in a real/totally biological copy of his original body.

 

[MarsWeeps]

Hated hated hated the way they buried season one, from Riker and Troi being rewritten from happily ever after together on Nepenthe to both hating it .

I'm getting Changeling vibes from Troi.

 

[Racefuel]

In watching the Picard revival scene from S1 right now, this is a direct quote as to what they say about his synth body

"Tell me about this body, this..uh..golem"

"Well, it has no augmentations, no superpowers"

"I knew you wouldn't want to adjust to something new, not after 94 years in the same, body, same face"

"Everything is new though, everything works"

"You haven't made me immortal?"

"We designed a cellular homeostasis algorithm that should give you more or less the same number of years you would have experienced without the brain condition"

It doesn't say anything about his body lasting for centuries, and explicitly says his body has no augments. It's literally just a synthetic 1:1 copy of his biological body.

 

[Borgminister]

Now that's more like it... the tired tropes (execute one ever 10 minutes, codex override) and somewhat bloated presentation aside, the direction and acting were top notch, and the dialogue more than passable, with a welcome return of those quips, from Riker's jealous reaction to Worf, to Data's "monologuing protoplasm", and Vadic's "fucking solid", I was indeed entertained. Then include truly Trek-worthy, humanistic story lines dealing with resolution to pain and suffering between Troi and Riker, and with Lore finally incorporating what he had missed in his existence--love and purpose--by "surrendering" to Data. Finally, loads of fan service, to my great delight as well, much of which I'll have to catch again on a rewatch. I give it a rose-colored glasses 10, and can only hope the Big Bad is worth the buildup behind that red door (not the green door, please).

 

[F. King Daniel]

In watching the Picard revival scene from S1 right now, this is a direct quote as to what they say about his synth body

"Tell me about this body, this..uh..golem"

"Well, it has no augmentations, no superpowers"

"I knew you wouldn't want to adjust to something new, not after 94 years in the same, body, same face"

"Everything is new though, everything works"

"You haven't made me immortal?"

"We designed a cellular homeostasis algorithm that should give you more or less the same number of years you would have experienced without the brain condition"

It doesn't say anything about his body lasting for centuries, and explicitly says his body has no augments. It's literally just a synthetic 1:1 copy of his biological body.

I kinda suspect that if they reaaaaaaalllllly wanted to, they could hack his body and give us the 90something Jason Bourne we all really came to see

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Will Picard save the day by negotiating a peace with the Changelings who have infiltrated Starfleet? It's been his MO so far in each season final episode.
Or will his crew invent a device which reverts them to a permanent gelatinous form?
Hmm...

 

[Amaris]

9 seasons of My Little Pony have conditioned me to see this every time I see the word changeling:

It creates some interesting scenarios in my head.

 

[Racefuel]

I dunno, every time I see the name I think of dunking my hand in a vat of shampoo

 

[gweeps]

Oh, there'll probably be a reset button of sorts.

 

[erotavlas]

De-aging CGI is really really expensive. Not sure they could afford it this season.

They should have done it at any cost. It was the final season anyway, might as well go out with a bang.

 

[Racefuel]

They should have done it at any cost. It was the final season anyway, might as well go out with a bang.

But why when you can give Data his happy ending and something he always wanted?