Spoilers The Mandalorian Season 3
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Well as you're alluding to, there are usually other factors at play in chattel slavery. But I find it strange that Lucas would introduce the concept of droids to hand-wave away any issues related to having characters who are basically slaves in A New Hope, and then have actual depictions of slavery in later films (Leia in Return of the Jedi, Anakin and his mother in the Prequels).
Because both things can be true at the same time.
How so? I'd rather pick one over the other, and maybe pick the safer choice of the two.
How so what? Both things can be true? Organic slaves are easier to replace, cheap to maintain, and can be managed in a way to quell uprisings (see Roman). Machines are more expensive, require maintenance on the regular, and can be hijacked by enemies. On some worlds one will be easier to get a hold of, while in other places the other would be helpful.
So, yeah, both are true at the same time.
Society picks things that are convenient not safe.
I thought you were responding to my comment on Lucas' depiction of slavery in his films, not providing an in-universe explanation for why slaves and droids might exist simultaneously in Star Wars.
It's both. I would expect Lucas to have both human and droid slavery because that's how the real world works. You can look at it as racism or you can have an analog of animal cruelty as well. Really it's not meant necessarily as any sort of commentary beyond flavor text. People will take it as they interpret it, but droids originally were just flavoring for the setting, not any specific comment.
Fair enough.
This episode had strong Futurama vibes.
Besides the girl who kisses like Zoidberg and the tubes, the robot bar made me constantly think of some of the self awarely contrived robot physics of Futurama.
Besides the girl who kisses like Zoidberg and the tubes, the robot bar made me constantly think of some of the self awarely contrived robot physics of Futurama.
Who said anything about "solving the problem"? I'm talking about the use of particular tropes from a metatextual standpoint, not making some point of in-universe lore. But if you insist on pulling that thread; the portrayal of actual slavery on SW is a part of the same thing to clue the audience in on the morality of respective parties. Put simply: Jabba/Empire keep slaves and mistreat droids, therefore: bad. Rebels/Jedi/most people in general DON'T keep slaves, and treat their droids well, therefore: good.
You also seem to conflate slavery with servitude. While there's obviously overlap, there is a difference and it holds a distinct place in storytelling. Threepio is a servant, not a slave.
Did you check for nano-droids in the nepenthe?To be fair, one reason I didn’t enjoy this episode much was because it’s the first one I’ve watched on my new big(ger) TV, and I can’t turn the frickin TruMotion/High Frame Rate thing off!
When using my DVD/blu ray/4K player through the HDMI port there’s the option on the picture menu to turn it off, fine. But the picture menu is different for some reason when using the internal services, like a streaming service. And there’s no option to remove it.
So all that smoothing made it look cheap as anything. That last scene honestly looked on my TV like it was filmed down the local park with a camcorder. I hate the way it makes things look, why do they put it as a default setting on TVs??
Threepio is property, full stop.
Even the enlightened Queen and Viceroy of Alderaan own C-3P0 and R2-D2. They treat both with respect and even affection but make no mistake, they're owned and property.
So is my microwave. What's your point?
Well, your microwave isn't sentient. We don't know how it would feel being owned if it was self-aware.
Celebration goers get to see next week's episode tonight apparently
https://twitter.com/starwarstufff/status/1644297064463884292
https://twitter.com/starwarstufff/status/1644297064463884292
I don't think most droids are sentient either. Lucas always described Artoo as being synonymous with the family dog, and Filloni by contrast described Chopper as being a cat. I think what trips people up is their ability to communicate on top of having "personalities". If the current state of consumer electronics has taught us anything these last few years is that just because a machine can pass the Turing Test, that doesn't mean it's a sapient being. A personality interface is just a really really complicated mathematical algorithm. It can reason within the bounds of it's programming, but that's all. It doesn't wonder about the nature of it's existence, it just responds to inputs. It doesn't think, it just reasons. Just like droids.
Now, that's not to say that this applies to ALL droids, but self actualised units like Elthree are a vanishingly small minority. An anomaly. Those should be treated as sapient beings precisely because unlike most droids they actually can think.
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Yeah, this.
Spoilers for next week's episode for those who like spoilers
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/12es5lo/mando_s3_ep_7_early_swcl_viewing_spoiler/
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/12es5lo/mando_s3_ep_7_early_swcl_viewing_spoiler/
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