Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x08 - "Surrender"
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Perfect, thanks!
I'd been trying to place where I'd seen this alien before, and I realized I was thinking of McKenzie Westmore's cameo as this background alien from an unnamed species in "Maps & Legends."
But, I do think it's the exact same wig they're each wearing! So I didn't totally make it up.
Trickier than telling the difference between a Dopterian and a Kobheerian
Oh come on, much of TNG was built around contrivances, with technobabble solutions, static characterisation and nonsense plots. It managed at most four good seasons out of seven. DS9 wound up with a finale built around someone who was possessed by wraiths summoning fire with a magical book (which also had the power to blind and to change appearances, apparently).
I'm not gushing about this season as some are, but it's readily above the average TNG or DS9 episode.
Lots of fun =D
And it's not some Jerry Rigged Contraption like what Worf did in the Holodeck.
Yes, but they were MUCH bigger. Equipment that you had to set into place and activate to create a giant networked Force Field wall.
When Nella Darren was setting up Thermal Deflector Units, she was down planet side trying to stop a Fire Storm on
Bersallis III which threatened a Federation Outpost.
Personal shield emitters were also portrayed in the form of wrist bands in both TNG and VOY.
In TNG they were used to stop the wearer from being pulled into the time frame onboard the ENT-D (when those subpsace entities put their young into a Romulan artificial quantum singularity).
On VOY, it was used to push the temporal disruptions (through one of which Janeway and Pairs fell through), and displace subspace radiation and access the forcefield around a blown up replicator console.
So, they do exist in various forms... but they weren't exactly used often.
I'd argue that one good episode of TNG or DS9 contained more plot and character development than this entire season.
What’s interesting is that the one problem being fixed here, from the TNG movies versus the TOS movies, is that we are having that TMP style ‘getting the band back together’ story. We may also be getting VI at the same time — though maybe not. Who knows what comes next.
The irumodic syndrome always seemed linked to Picard experiencing different time-frames in AGT, something Q did, or at least knew about — so it is interesting to see it here possibly being dealt with as the SF concept that it is, rather than simply some made-up Alzheimer’s proxy.
As to the TNG crew using science, technology, and knowledge to blast Vadic into space? Yeah… plenty of antagonists met a sticky end once it was proven they couldn’t be dealt with any other way. They hadn’t retaken the ship just yet, nor the bridge. They retook the bridge by blasting the aggressors out the hatch.
Now we have two hours for the most sciencey bridge crew in Starfleet history to save the federation. (Seriously… Picard is a anthropologist and archaeologist by background, Troi and Crusher, Medical and Psychology, Geordi, engineer, Data, engineer and general science, Riker was in Engineering, about the only non-science guy there is Worf. And he is part historian and probably forges his own swords. They’ve picked up a grease monkey from Chicago, and Science Girl pin-up of the nineties Seven of Nine.)
It’s time to go science the shit out of this thing.
The irumodic syndrome always seemed linked to Picard experiencing different time-frames in AGT, something Q did, or at least knew about — so it is interesting to see it here possibly being dealt with as the SF concept that it is, rather than simply some made-up Alzheimer’s proxy.
As to the TNG crew using science, technology, and knowledge to blast Vadic into space? Yeah… plenty of antagonists met a sticky end once it was proven they couldn’t be dealt with any other way. They hadn’t retaken the ship just yet, nor the bridge. They retook the bridge by blasting the aggressors out the hatch.
Now we have two hours for the most sciencey bridge crew in Starfleet history to save the federation. (Seriously… Picard is a anthropologist and archaeologist by background, Troi and Crusher, Medical and Psychology, Geordi, engineer, Data, engineer and general science, Riker was in Engineering, about the only non-science guy there is Worf. And he is part historian and probably forges his own swords. They’ve picked up a grease monkey from Chicago, and Science Girl pin-up of the nineties Seven of Nine.)
It’s time to go science the shit out of this thing.
And you'd be laughably wrong.
Are we talking about the enemy ship that was still crewed (Riker, Troi, Worf and Raffi were detected so had to run away) had been shown to massively outgun the Titan repeatedly and was only destroyed because they got the jump on them and they didn’t know they had control of the Titan back so didn’t put there shields up?
They’d already downloaded the database but on the chance there “might” be something else let’s get into a staged battle we’ll almost definitely lose instead of using the element of surprise to destroy them and get away?
They’d already downloaded the database but on the chance there “might” be something else let’s get into a staged battle we’ll almost definitely lose instead of using the element of surprise to destroy them and get away?
What's new to the story since it started? Only change is Vadic is dead. Quite literally nothing has changed.
I don’t know how you can come to this conclusion.
- Picard grappling with the fact he’s a father and the lost time with Jack and Beverly.
- Riker shifting his outlook from being stuck in his grief to finding new hope, trying to make things right with Troi.
- This entire season has a theme of finding strength in the “family” of people we spend our lives with. That’s true for all of TNG crew, but it’s also touched on with Seven of Nine remembering Voyager, and even with the crew of Titan.
If Legacy went ahead, I'd love to see the exploration of Shaw as more of a "grease monkey" in terms of engineer. Going very much into the "fuckit n duct tape" school of fixing problems.
Read back on what you typed. It's plot contrivances again and again. I'll just mention one here: so they're aboard the enemy ship (how did Worf and Raffi get there in the first place?) and in the space of a few mins we get some plot exposition, they download a database and alarm goes off. That's horrible writing.
- The one scene between Riker and Troi in this one episode had more character development for them than most of the seven seasons of TNG.
- Rhe same goes for Data's character development.
He was getting tortured. Again and again. Their conversation made literally zero sense. We were jumping from Vadic threatening to murder hostages to them aboard her ship cuddling
They snuck on board on a shuttle cloaked with the Bounty’s cloaking device after departing swearing they will do everything in their power to find Will Riker.
It’s explained that the alarm was sounded after someone realised the prisoners were missing, likely when they didn’t turn up for torture.
I’d argue that if they didn’t clearly show the shuttle was cloaked and also had them kill a guard and then hang around without the alarm going off then that would be bad writing.
They literally say they have to leave and then show the cloaked ship flying off. Maybe it docked right next to where they were maybe as the alarm was already sounded they used transporters. Why that would need to be shown I have no idea.
They retrieved the data that the changelings had collected about the parts of Picard’s brain they had extracted. They say this in the episode.
The more Cortez posts, the more convinced I am they didn't actually watch the episode, and just sort of... had it on in the background maybe. Only paying attention to scoff at things.
They snuck on board? Maybe, but never shown. Geordi said that they were coming back to the Titan after failing to find Riker a few episodes ago.
Do you not find it convenient that alarm goes off after some plot exposition? Again, why would they retreat at that point when Titan is under enemy control? Would the Worf or Riker from TNG do that? Come on.
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