And that's why I don't want it. "Rule of cool" is not of interest to me. Character work and managing emotional problems is more interesting. That's the Trek I enjoy, not "so cool."
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x08 - "Surrender"
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And even the actress playing her made a comeback. (Oops, two comebacks.)
Well yeah..I guess Sela is a bit of a cop out...
But Tasha-Tasha is dead and so far has stayed dead
We had those now and then too, but Trek doesn’t usually signpost what the threat is. Nagilum is the perfect example really. Ton of weird stuff happens, we don’t see him till the end.
Same here — we don’t know what’s going on, but we watch the crew figure out what is.
That's where the Sarek part could come in. Psychic assimilation maybe?
So, not so much the Borg themselves, but the nanoprobes passed on to Jack, plus the latent psychic ability. IDK where the Irumodic Syndrome fits in to all of it.
I took a very quick look at the wikipedia summaries of 304 and 305 and copied what I thought might be the most relevant clues below.
304 -- Alone, Jack has vivid hallucinations of a destroyed world and a voice saying "find me".
305 -- Jack’s visions begin showing him murdering the crew...Ro pilots her shuttle, but Changeling saboteurs plant a bomb onboard, forcing her to steer into the Intrepid, sacrificing herself. The saboteurs attempt to transport out with Jack, but he is overcome by his visions and shoots them all dead.
I think we should start by thinking--What is the destroyed world Jack sees? The first changeling homeworld bombarded by the Cardassians and Romulans in DS9 maybe?
304 -- Alone, Jack has vivid hallucinations of a destroyed world and a voice saying "find me".
305 -- Jack’s visions begin showing him murdering the crew...Ro pilots her shuttle, but Changeling saboteurs plant a bomb onboard, forcing her to steer into the Intrepid, sacrificing herself. The saboteurs attempt to transport out with Jack, but he is overcome by his visions and shoots them all dead.
I think we should start by thinking--What is the destroyed world Jack sees? The first changeling homeworld bombarded by the Cardassians and Romulans in DS9 maybe?
The story is better for it.
That was the Borg's final revenge on Picard.
Star Trek XI: Revenge Of The Borg
Either that or he’s possessed by a pah wraith there’s been no mention of this season and which have no connection to Picard in particular. The show is about Picard and they want revenge on Picard or to make use of Picard to exact the maximum amount of damage. Locutus of Borg makes more sense.
And Jack is the Chosen One. He will bring balance. Train him!
Pretty sure whatever the Irumodic Syndrome in Picard, and now Jack is, truly was why the Borg wanted to use Picard 30 odd years ago. They reference Picard's log and confusion why the Borg have such a special interest in him in the first episode of the season. Is it a retcon with BOBW? Yes. But it makes more sense than random nanoprobes causing everything.
Which means Picard had to have been infected with something that made the Borg want to assimilate him. What happened in Seasons 1-3 where an alien substance could have hitched a ride on Picard?
EDIT: I found it, Lonely Among Us.
The ship suddenly drops again out of warp, and as Picard investigates the readouts at a bridge console, the strange energy transfers into him. The bridge crew becomes suspicious of Picard's actions after noting that all Enterprise systems are back to normal and that Picard has ordered them to return to the cloud. The senior officers attempt to plead with Picard to undergo a medical examination and to step down from command, but he refuses. When they return to the cloud, Picard announces that they had picked up an entity previously when they passed the cloud, and now Picard and the entity are one. Under its influence, Picard plans to transport his energy back into the cloud, and he shoots energy at the bridge crew when they try to stop him. The crew are unable to prevent Picard from beaming off the ship. The crew spend hours trying to locate Picard to no avail, so they are forced to accept he is beyond recovery and prepare to leave. However, Troi senses the Captain's essence nearby, and Picard manages to signal the crew through the ship's computers. Data is able to reverse the transport, reconstituting Picard without the entity. After determining that Picard is himself again, lacking the memories since he was taken over by the entity, the Enterprise continues on to Parliament.
Personally I'm hoping whatever the floating head's motivation is winds up being a misunderstanding.... because alien. Maybe it teamed up with the Changelings to use their help in getting Picard/Jack/Whatever's in them because its part of its race, a mate even. If this whole finale culminates in an Encounter at Farpoint callback and resolution, I'll consider it a win.
I'm not sure the Borg are the ultimate villain, but I do think Jack has some Borg-ish-ness in him, and that Vadic's boss might want to use that for its own ends, perhaps accidentally attracting the (real) Borg and putting both sides at risk.
Not for nothing, "Locutus" is latin for "speaker," while the next episode is titled "Vox," or "voice."
Not for nothing, "Locutus" is latin for "speaker," while the next episode is titled "Vox," or "voice."
The only scene in this I genuinely enjoyed was the Riker/Troi banter on the Shrike. (But even then, if they really had just been tortured, weren't they awfully light-hearted about it?)
They have turned Worf into a bit of a joke. Though in late middle-age a lot of men do get that "I'm wise now" vibe, so maybe deliberate.
Last week I thought there were echoes of The Expanse. This week the ending felt very Star Wars. Troi is force-sensitive and she can feel the power of the dark side in Jack.
I get why they had the TNG crew together in the conference room, but it would have felt a bit more organic with Shaw there too. It is his ship! And he'd just handed over the conn to Seven.
A bit reckless to destroy the Shrike. Maybe the right call, but at least talk it over! They could certainly use a powerful battleship.
I didn't like the Data/Lore thing against the Windows 95 background. He was always nasty in TNG but wasn't so pointlessly, sadistically evil -- in some way he actually seemed to care for Data. I wish they'd done something genuinely new like have the new Data be a proper merging of Data and Lore. Then the crew might be a bit wary of him, and it would explain why he can use contractions now, etc.
To be really cynical, I think I see why everything is so dimly lit. Spiner looked *awful* in the Windows 95 cloud city.
They have turned Worf into a bit of a joke. Though in late middle-age a lot of men do get that "I'm wise now" vibe, so maybe deliberate.
Last week I thought there were echoes of The Expanse. This week the ending felt very Star Wars. Troi is force-sensitive and she can feel the power of the dark side in Jack.
I get why they had the TNG crew together in the conference room, but it would have felt a bit more organic with Shaw there too. It is his ship! And he'd just handed over the conn to Seven.
A bit reckless to destroy the Shrike. Maybe the right call, but at least talk it over! They could certainly use a powerful battleship.
I didn't like the Data/Lore thing against the Windows 95 background. He was always nasty in TNG but wasn't so pointlessly, sadistically evil -- in some way he actually seemed to care for Data. I wish they'd done something genuinely new like have the new Data be a proper merging of Data and Lore. Then the crew might be a bit wary of him, and it would explain why he can use contractions now, etc.
To be really cynical, I think I see why everything is so dimly lit. Spiner looked *awful* in the Windows 95 cloud city.
This is consistent with TNG.
I'm starting to take a second look at "Lonely Among Us" episode. Picard is outright possessed by an alien AND the method they used to supposedly free him from possession had plenty of ways in which it could've gone wrong.
My guess: Picard's nanoprobes caused a mutation in his brain that was misdiagnosed as iromodic syndrome. Jack inherited that brain condition and it continued to mutate. He might be the next step of human evolution...accidentally caused by the Borg. And the main villain wants to use his condition to destroy the Federation. The fact that all Starfleet ships are linked might be the key.
lol
it's just silly. pump out the oxygen on the ship and knock everyone out then.
But it's like how she gave them a random 1 hour deadline the first time she met them.
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