Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"

[Xerxes82]

I think this has been the Achilles heel for a lot of nu trek. Big big build up with anti climatic/meh reveal spat out in final episode.

And I would absolutely agree with you. The worst offender being Disco with The Burn. The concept itself wasn't bad, and if we'd had a single episode about some kind of smaller disaster with the same resolution for the cause I might have even loved it. But as the resolution to their big, season defining and Federation crippling mystery? Yeah, they dropped the ball there in a HUGE way.

I'm just getting worried that the only episodes of this season that I've really enjoyed were the first (Picard and Riker road trip is hard to screw up) and the Frakes directed episodes. I'm starting to feel like Frakes just elevated material that wasn't worth the time and the whole season begins to feel like it's unraveling into incoherence.

Also, because I've seen this brought up a bunch: if Jack is anything other than what we've been told (Beverly and Picard's naturally conceived child) then I quit. Undermining your own narrative by being that dishonest with your audience and then milking all the false drama between Jack, JL and Bev would be the absolute last straw for me. This would go down as far and away the worst season of Trek in my estimation at that point. Obviously, individual mileage may vary.

 

[Yistaan]

So Jack is telepathic because Picard was Professor X in another universe, right?

Picard: Vadic's machine appears to change solids into changelings.

Crusher: But the transformation is unnatural. Their cells began to break down almost immediately.

Shaw: What effect does it have on changelings?

Picard: There appears to be none. But I fear it will do serious harm to any normal person.

Geordi: What does she want with Jack?

Picard: I don't know.

Shaw: Wait. You said this machine draws its power from Vadic, and that it greatly weakened her.

Picard: Yes... in fact, it nearly killed her...

Geordi: She's gonna transfer her power to Jack... and use him to power the machine!

 

[El Maestro]

I think this has been the Achilles heel for a lot of nu trek. Big big build up with anti climatic/meh reveal spat out in final episode. Picard season 2, discovery season 3,4...noone has cracked the code yet and yes I reallllyyyy want jack's reveal to be a wow moment (of which there has been many this season) but I genuinely can't see it...wouldn't even be surprised to see Burnham behind that hallucinatory red door at this point lol

I don’t think what was revealed today was meh. The origin of Vadic was well done. Sad, serious, and it made sense. On DS9 we didn’t get a sense of the visceral horror that needed to happen to make the virus. It was impactful to see here.

What I feel will meh is what comes next. Whoever the face is, whatever is up with Jack, and whatever the plan is with JLPs body is where I fear we will get into Burn territory. God, just thinking about it now I’m getting fired up over what a let down the Burn was….

 

[valkyrie013]

YouTube ruined Tim Russ cameo.. Went there to watch something else. Boom.. Ugh..

 

[Xerxes82]

YouTube ruined Tim Russ cameo.. Went there to watch something else. Boom.. Ugh..

I feel your pain. Happened to me back to back days. The Mandalorian yesterday and now Picard today. Full spoiler titles and thumbnails, all before 9am. I'm really starting hate Ytubers.

 

[Noname Given]

100% agree, we do not need and I personally would not watch a Section 31 show.

And I don't care fpor more 'Teen Trek' - prodigy is already doing that. Starfleet Academy?...

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

I also feel the Titan was not really captured, but false captured. I think Picard has set a very elaborate trap where he fully intended to have Vadic capture the ship. The scenes with Picard and Crusher saying those things about convictions and if they should kill Vadic are out of place for their history, and the fact Vadic was shown multiple times overhearing Picard and Beverly is a strong clue the showrunners are setting up the viewer.
I think Picard wanted to make sure Vadic absolutely felt she took the Titan legitimately and it worked so well most of you here were fooled by it as well! Terry has created a masterpiece season. I have watched the episode 5 times, and if you watch it again going in and knowing Picard set up a trap within a trap that required getting caught, the scenes play better and make more sense.

I even think Picard wanted Geordi to allow Lore and Data to "fight" to make the illusion even better. I expect Lore to try to side with Vadic only for the reveal to be a new combined being let's name him "Datalore" let out a famous catchphrase " Resistance is futile" but with Lore like sadistic smile. ( If the Borg really are the talking head, like the Borg king. We have already seen the Queen, was Locutus considered the King? )

 

[Noname Given]

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Next week is looking grim. The sneak peek is disturbing. Watch at your own risk. I wish I hadn't.

ORLY?

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[Yistaan]

I also feel the Titan was not really captured, but false captured. I think Picard has set a very elaborate trap where he fully intended to have Vadic capture the ship. The scenes with Picard and Crusher saying those things about convictions and if they should kill Vadic are out of place for their history, and the fact Vadic was shown multiple times overhearing Picard and Beverly is a strong clue the showrunners are setting up the viewer.
I think Picard wanted to make sure Vadic absolutely felt she took the Titan legitimately and it worked so well most of you here were fooled by it as well! Terry has created a masterpiece season. I have watched the episode 5 times, and if you watch it again going in and knowing Picard set up a trap within a trap that required getting caught, the scenes play better and make more sense.

I even think Picard wanted Geordi to allow Lore and Data to "fight" to make the illusion even better. I expect Lore to try to side with Vadic only for the reveal to be a new combined being let's name him "Datalore" let out a famous catchphrase " Resistance is futile" but with Lore like sadistic smile. ( If the Borg really are the talking head, like the Borg king. We have already seen the Queen, was Locutus considered the King? )

There's no way they'd risk their kids' lives over that, furthermore Shaw could've been killed and several redhsirts were. This wasn't planned

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

There's no way they'd risk their kids' lives over that, furthermore Shaw could've been killed and several redhsirts were. This wasn't planned

I think Picard took a hint from Kirk and "Turned certain death ( If Vadic and the fleet found them naturally ) into a fighting chance ( Picard plan to get caputred had risks, but risk is the name of the game if you want to sit in that chair ) to live.

Picard realized that they can't run forever and decided to use that to set up a trap within a trap, the only hope.

Redshirts and Shaw possibly dying is better than certian death if found.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Like murdering a Romulan senator and covering it up, directly leading to hundreds of thousands if not millions of additional deaths in a war simply because you needed them on your side instead.

Saving trillions of people from slavery and preventing the genocide and slavery of the Romulans too.

 

[NCC-73515]

Jack might be the pah wraith response to Sisko: A possessed Picard was the dad, which is why he never suspected anything cause he doesn't remember that particular night, and Jack is a half-wraith just like Sisko was a half-prophet.

 

[Aragorn]

I feel your pain. Happened to me back to back days. The Mandalorian yesterday and now Picard today. Full spoiler titles and thumbnails, all before 9am. I'm really starting hate Ytubers.

Blatant spoilers get more clicks than hidden spoilers. That's why the spoiler is in the headline, the URL, the photo. And then they put out a half-ass warning about spoilers. Even the professional entertainment media sites do it.

"You'll never guess which android sacrificed himself to save the crew on this week's Picard!"

 

[Nerys Myk]

The way they keep name-dropping Janeway, there's no way she doesn't show up eventually.

Well, she does seem to be heavily involved with Frontier Day.

So far, he's only been able to read Sidney.
I think that's because he has feelings for her.

Imzadi!

 

[Jarvisimo]

I've seen the entirety of DS9 from the premier to the final episode, both in the original run in the 90's and in god knows how many re-runs.

We *do* see Sisko losing his moral compass slowly as the show progresses, there are simply really big moments where it is really obvious.

Yes I've seen it rather the same amount too. But I really don't think your interpretation is correct, it is putting onto a series of largely stand alone episodes a greater characterisation that isn't there (certainly not one justified by how the writers or Brooks talk in the Companion)

As I said, there are individual episodes where Sisko compromises himself (namely four spring to mind - For the Uniform, In the Pale Moonlight and the Siege of AR-558 - and arguably sleeping with mirror Jadzia in s3) and there are two points where he is in crisis due to lack of self belief (Emissary and the opening of season 7 when he is on Earth); but these aren't preceded by or followed up on by other episodes (except for being slapped by mirror Jadzia in s4!).

But most of the series Sisko is an upstanding moral figure, including throughout the final season (beyond AR-558) and into the finale. He's not Picard, of course - he's more prone to action, he sometimes get things wrong and then has to apologize, he's more outwardly emotional - but he almost always tends to do the right thing, to compromise in the right way, to connect with people around family and sport and heritage and history. And most of all he's written around being a brilliant father, a faithful mentor and a careful, caring leader - again something that runs through the series.

In the Pale Moonlight is a series highpoint, but it really the lowest Sisko dips, and something we don't see again - it is not connected to any broader attempt at characterisation. Even to he scenario of AR-558 (the cloaked mines) is a more about the collective loss of conscience in the Federation, driven by war. It doesn't link with a longer narrative of compromised actions undertaken elsewhere, since there isn't such a narrative. Notably Sisko doesn't condone any other bad act during the war or before it - the virus, for example, or Layton's coup, or Kai Winn's many plots, and so on. Nor does he talk or act - behind For the Uniform and In the Pale Moonlight - in a way that is really compromised or morally wrong.

Overall I think you are projecting, but that's ok too

 

[Gibraltar]

Obviously, there's something off about Picard's original genetic structure, something he's passed on to Jack. Vadic suggested that Picard's diagnosis of Irumodic Syndrome was actually something else... so, what might that be?

I doubt the writers would shoehorn in some random incident from before TNG or after Nemesis that the audience has no knowledge of. What does that leave? I don't recall Picard ever having his genome fiddled with by anyone, unless it's going to be something silly like prolonged exposure to someone from the Q-continuum warping human genetic material.

What could Picard have passed on to Jack that makes him telepathic?

 

[Nerys Myk]

additional thought I forgot to add earlier: Skeleton crew or not, it was too easy to take over Titan.

It's Star Trek. They do that.

So... should we expect appearances by Dan Stevens and Aubrey Plaza in the finale?

I do now

Why do all Vulcans have Yoda ears nowadays, even Tuvok?

The Journey of Spock's ears (and eye brows) is an amazing. I think Vulcan ears are always changing.

Wonder what he was doing during that time....

Getting married. Raising kids. PTA meetings. Soccer matches.

 

[cooleddie74]

Spock's ears in STID were jumbo-sized Vulcan ears. Apparently some elderly Vulcans get their own WiFi antennae when they reach a certain age.

 

[fireproof78]

Ears never stop growing.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Tim Russ tweeted saying he's in two episodes of Picard.
https://twitter.com/timruss2/status/1641467761015783425?t=XbKW0BdTTCS-NmFtdNeQkw&s=19

I want a Berman era reunion as the final shot. Yes, even the Enterprise characters somehow!!!!

Replacing "scrapyard" with "Memorial" would have been a more meaningful and poignant easter egg. Just my opinion.

"Memorial" suggests a maintained area, which would make it hard to hide in.

What he said.