Tuvok left Starfleet for a time after his stint on Excelsior. We don't know that Saavik ever did.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"
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Yep. Tuvok left Starfleet for 51 years between 2298 and 2349.
Wonder what he was doing during that time....
This one gets a 7. The lowest of the season so far. I enjoyed it, but it was nothing special.
I predicted that the big cameo would end up being a Changeling, and ultimately not amount to much--and that happened with Tuvok. Yay me!
Sloppy writing, direction, editing: It was kind of a sloppily done episode. Luring Vadic was glossed over. Suddenly she was there. How did they get her attention alone and no one else? The fake message and fake disabled ship were glossed over. Clearly, Vadic would assess the authenticity of the message's origins and the supposed disabled ship. Instead, it's just all boom, she's there biting the hook.
At other points it felt like we saw two different drafts of the same episode. For example, Vadic says they're all spread out like rats. But then Jack says they're all dead. Huh? We know they're not all dead and Vadic didn't, at least not a second ago. And then Vadic and her crew took over the Titan way too easily. Yeah, the Titan had a skeleton crew but Vadic didn't have many either. Just too easy.
Characters being lost: For the first half of the season, the show was excellent at juggling the various characters. Now some literally vanish from the Titan (Worf and Raffi). And even Seven and Shaw are barely there, fading into the background. Riker and Troi aren't shown but I'm actually ok with that because of their separate location.
Talky: Wow, exposition overload! Lots of standing around talking. It was funny. Vadic was doing her little hand moves and funny talk, and I'm laughing thinking they're trying to fancy it up and make it interesting, but it was just a standing around talking scene.
Dumb stuff with Lore: So Lore trying to take over the ship was the most predictable thing imaginable. There was no way Geordi would hook Lore up to a system connected to the ship. He'd definitely use an isolated system. Really took me out of the story. Just wouldn't happen.
On the plus side, we did learn what happened to some of the Changelings and that they're a separate faction. Also, Face is a different species, at least going by how he refers to the Changelings. Hints about Picard. (But using his DNA to verify his identity is another dumb thing of enormous magnitude. I mean, his DNA was stolen, see Nemesis. Also, how many medical tests has he had that could be stored? ) A few hints about Jack but mostly stalled out there.
Meh, it was OK but nothing great. Hopefully a return to form next week.
I predicted that the big cameo would end up being a Changeling, and ultimately not amount to much--and that happened with Tuvok. Yay me!
Sloppy writing, direction, editing: It was kind of a sloppily done episode. Luring Vadic was glossed over. Suddenly she was there. How did they get her attention alone and no one else? The fake message and fake disabled ship were glossed over. Clearly, Vadic would assess the authenticity of the message's origins and the supposed disabled ship. Instead, it's just all boom, she's there biting the hook.
At other points it felt like we saw two different drafts of the same episode. For example, Vadic says they're all spread out like rats. But then Jack says they're all dead. Huh? We know they're not all dead and Vadic didn't, at least not a second ago. And then Vadic and her crew took over the Titan way too easily. Yeah, the Titan had a skeleton crew but Vadic didn't have many either. Just too easy.
Characters being lost: For the first half of the season, the show was excellent at juggling the various characters. Now some literally vanish from the Titan (Worf and Raffi). And even Seven and Shaw are barely there, fading into the background. Riker and Troi aren't shown but I'm actually ok with that because of their separate location.
Talky: Wow, exposition overload! Lots of standing around talking. It was funny. Vadic was doing her little hand moves and funny talk, and I'm laughing thinking they're trying to fancy it up and make it interesting, but it was just a standing around talking scene.
Dumb stuff with Lore: So Lore trying to take over the ship was the most predictable thing imaginable. There was no way Geordi would hook Lore up to a system connected to the ship. He'd definitely use an isolated system. Really took me out of the story. Just wouldn't happen.
On the plus side, we did learn what happened to some of the Changelings and that they're a separate faction. Also, Face is a different species, at least going by how he refers to the Changelings. Hints about Picard. (But using his DNA to verify his identity is another dumb thing of enormous magnitude. I mean, his DNA was stolen, see Nemesis. Also, how many medical tests has he had that could be stored? ) A few hints about Jack but mostly stalled out there.
Meh, it was OK but nothing great. Hopefully a return to form next week.
Yeah, this is probably the worst episode of the first seven. I love me some good exposition but this was so talky and yammery even Kevin Smith would tell the actors to keep it shorter and more pithy.
This does seem like an idiot ball moment. Geordi in particular should know better than anyone not to take any chances like this. They could've had a line where Geordi said something like "this wasn't supposed to happen I isolated him from the ship's computer but lore somehow adapted to it," or whatever but that would only make it a little less weird.
In terms of the talky exposition, the only thing I found that really kind of..broke my trance, as it were, was Beverly *saying*.."I'm losing my compass".
You can *show* someone losing their moral compass, happened with Sisko in DS9 but it also took multiple episodes to show that progression, Picard doesn't have a 25 episode season, and multiple seasons like it, to do so.
You can *show* someone losing their moral compass, happened with Sisko in DS9 but it also took multiple episodes to show that progression, Picard doesn't have a 25 episode season, and multiple seasons like it, to do so.
I wasn't actively avoiding spoilers because as far as I knew the episode has not come out yet. As far as I knew NOBODY had seen the episode yet.
And I didn't actively skip posts. I opened the thread and BAM, there it was. Didn't even have a chance to read anything else. That's my entire point.
How can I know there's a risk of seeing a spoiler about an episode I don't know has dropped yet? How could it occur to me that "Hey someone may have posted a gigantic spoiler image from the episode." when as far as I knew the episode was not able to be watched yet? Again...had the episode dropped at the normal time, you'd be 100% right. But the key point here is that it came out earlier than any episode ever has and that should have been taken into account.
early yesterday or maybe even the day before this thread had a spoiler tag.
Going into a thread marked with a spoiler tag and being upset at seeing spoilers is like going into an Adult Bookstore and being surprised at finding porn.
Really the only way to make this less awkward would be to lean on the motherhood angle, where she could say something like, "I know what we're supposed do in this situation but I'm not in Starfleet any more and she's hunting my son," or something to that effect. It wouldn't fix it but it would be less weird than the compass thing.
It just occurred to me that Worf and Raffi's absence isn't bad on it's face; after all, they went to rescue Riker. What's weird that Riker is ostensibly....right there.
Not really with Sisko? Have you seen "For the Uniform"? Sisko's obsession with Eddington, which leads to his crimes, comes out of nowhere and saw no repercussions. As for "In the Pale Moonlight", again, it doesn't connect with any development in prior episodes and doesn't have any follow on (except in Una McCormack's wonderful Hollow Men). In each, Sisko did bad, but it's never mentioned again. The same with "the Siege of AR-558". Overall there is the context of the conflicts (the Maquis, the Dominion War), but each episode is an island, without a sense of developmental characterisation between episodes.
I've seen the entirety of DS9 from the premier to the final episode, both in the original run in the 90's and in god knows how many re-runs.
We *do* see Sisko losing his moral compass slowly as the show progresses, there are simply really big moments where it is really obvious.
Ha! I would actually kind of love this? It would also explain the absence and solve the problem that these super long arc shows tend to have where the villains are seemingly omnipotent for 9 episodes until they are defeated.
in fact that'd be awesome.
Agreed. That was my thought too. They set up how they'll need some elaborate plan to return to how things were. Ugh. That's probably the entirety of the 8th episode. Maybe we'll learn something new.
I'll try to be optimistic because most of the season has been excellent!
I was underwhelmed and I find myself not giving a shit about legacy characters showing up for cameos. I thought maybe my perspective is exhausted by late night viewing but I see others have similar responses. Further, I vote No to Terry Matalas being the savior god of the franchise. This is too much fanwank even for me.
It's not about episodic storytelling vs. serialization. It's about being 7/10ths of the way through the story and still not knowing who the real antagonist is, what they want, or why they're doing any of this. It's the equivalent of being 1 hour and 24 minutes into a 2-hour movie and still not really knowing what's going on.
And the little we do learn about Vadic's boss shows him to be cartoonishly evil who gets a kick out of torturing his henchmen. If he does end up being someone from Picard's past, it seems unlikely it was from one of the better episodes.
