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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"

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Ok, I'm getting tired of them dragging things out. It's taken 7 episodes to learn the what Vadic's motivation is, and we're still no closer to learning what's REALLY going on. Why do these streaming shows always take so long to tell us who the bad guys are and what they want to accomplish? It's time to send all these writers to the School of Getting To The Frakking Point.

Because instead of a single story being at most a 2 parter season finale/opener..we now have more or less a single story for the entire season, so you have to time your payoffs.

I get it though, traditional Trek episodic formatting would have things moving a little faster..but this isn't normal Trek anymore.
 
It's interesting seeing some of the criticism for this episode being centered around it being slow and full of exposition...a lot of people's problem with modern Trek is that it's too action focused and here is an episode that has a lot of characters talking to each other and using their wits—in a very old school Trek way—and people are knocking it. Damned if you do, I suppose.

Another thing I'm seeing is "at least it's better than the nostalgia fest from last week," and the like. Putting aside that these arguments are terminally dumb, it's interesting to me that the people saying this can't really see the forest for the trees: this episode has exactly as much if not MORE nostalgia than last week's episode! This episode is an absolute explosion of nostalgia for DS9. Not with characters and cameos, but the DS9 main story and overall sensibility. This season is as much a direct sequel to DS9 as it is to TNG. It's even a sequel to VOY a little bit! And you know what? Just like last week, it's all fine. Good even! The nostalgia is organic to the story and moving it forward. In the case of the DS9 nostalgia, it's central to the plot. It occurred to me watching it that it's a bit simplistic to look at it this way. PIC S3 is picking up the story thread of characters and stories from 3 different shows decades after we last saw them. This is why the nostalgia doesn't bother me. We are revisiting the universe we all love. That is to be celebrated. The improvement in this season's quality compared to the previous ones is that the plotting and characterization are better and more consistent with what would make logical sense based on what we know about the characters, story, and universe. I think a lot of people say this episode is better with the nostalgia for 2 reasons: first, there are no DS9 character cameos, so it seems softer. The second is that a lot of fans are clamoring for DS9 content, so they do not classify their favored nostalgia as such, and thus it is not bad.

At the risk of this post being entirely meta criticism, the episode was not as exciting and kinetic as the few before it, but there were plenty of things that make it a good one! Vadic's motivations not only make sense, they are totally consistent with what you'd expect knowing what we know about S31, the Dominion War, and what the Federation did or didn't do to win it. You can take issue with the melodrama and the mugging (people love Khan but my dude chewed scenery more than anyone) but I am very happy to see that at the very least, her motivations are understandable and make sense given the rules and logic of the universe. Based on this alone, she is a better villain than we've seen in Trek for quite some time. Certainly one of the better ones from the TNG movies. Of course, there's still the big bad so I am curious about where it's going. The wheels can still come off in a way that makes this whole thing much dumber, but at least for now the villain is pretty good.

Also good in this episode were the character moments for the most part. They made sense and were well performed and mostly well written, with a few minor quibbles. JLP and Crusher's morality debate was a little pat and resolved too quickly, but I understood the broad strokes of what they were trying to do. The decision they reached was no worse than Sisko and Vreenak.

Finally, this is episode 7 of 10. In writing communities, there is a term called the "murky middle," that refers to the struggles of connecting the beginning and endings of stories and narratives. Authors talk of how it can be hard to keep the story moving whilst getting everything into place for the end game. This episode is probably the end of the murky middle so I expect things to pick up next week.

Finally finally, this episode cemented for me why I do NOT need or want a show about S31 and Georgiou (sp?). Between Geogiou being Space Cannibal Hitler and S31 embodying Mengele I am not sure how they can thread the needle to make a show about them where we are positively invested in S31 as the home of a show's protagonists. Some franchises have a place for something like that but I'm not sure Trek does.
 
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About Data remembering the Scimitar.

After Data did his copy and dump into B4's protonoggin, B4 was still active for a time. He wasn't ultimately deactivated by Data until immediately before the final act, and was briefly active again afterwards.

So Datas last solid memory was that he was on the E-E and they were dealing with this mega fuckin warbird called the Scimitar.

No disconnect there
 
100% agree, we do not need and I personally would not watch a Section 31 show.

I would be fine with a section 31 show as long as it helps flesh out previously unshown/underdeveloped eras

2300-2340, that immediate post-Khitomer era and before TNG would be a welcome development..lots of Romulan stuff in there.
 
Starting at this point and discussed in subsequent posts:
And how does that help someone who enters the thread while reasonably not expecting the episode to have dropped, seeing as they've never dropped that early, and literally the first thing they see before even attempting to read anything else is a giant spoilery photo? Once the episode has aired, sure, post to your heart's content. But when you know damn well that an episode dropped earlier than usual, to just plop a big as spoiler uncovered like that is just poor form. Like a little kid who just can't wait to play with his new toy. And then to follow up with this "Oh well, sucks for you" attitude is even more irritating. I'll drop it from here on out but I feel bad for anyone who comes here for the next three episodes and has something important ruined for them by someone with low impulse control.
 
And how does that help someone who enters the thread while reasonably not expecting the episode to have dropped, seeing as they've never dropped that early, and literally the first thing they see before even attempting to read anything else is a giant spoilery photo? Once the episode has aired, sure, post to your heart's content. But when you know damn well that an episode dropped earlier than usual, to just plop a big as spoiler uncovered like that is just poor form. Like a little kid who just can't wait to play with his new toy. And then to follow up with this "Oh well, sucks for you" attitude is even more irritating. I'll drop it from here on out but I feel bad for anyone who comes here for the next three episodes and has something important ruined for them by someone with low impulse control.
If you're coming into the episode discussion thread looking to avoid spoilers before you've seen the episode, and skipping posts that would have informed you that the episode has dropped, that's on you.

This is the episode discussion thread. If you're coming in before you've seen the episode, know the risks.
 
Trekmovie coldly noted "Tuvok is the only character we know who has served in Starfleet in three different centuries—and yet he’s still just a captain."

Keep in mind that Tuvok is literally the same age as Saavik who now has shuttles named after her.
 
Trekmovie coldly noted "Tuvok is the only character we know who has served in Starfleet in three different centuries—and yet he’s still just a captain."

Keep in mind that Tuvok is literally the same age as Saavik who now has shuttles named after her.
Tuvok also spent something like fifty years out of the service after resigning as an ensign before deciding to give Starfleet another shot.
 
At least it's explained why Odo didn't tell Worf about the new changelings' powers--he didn't know, as they presumably obtained them by linking with Vadic some time after they walked out on Odo
 
Trekmovie coldly noted "Tuvok is the only character we know who has served in Starfleet in three different centuries—and yet he’s still just a captain."

Keep in mind that Tuvok is literally the same age as Saavik who now has shuttles named after her.

Tuvok also *left* Starfleet for a significant non-zero amount of time. It's not like he's been in continuous service for 160 years and they're just screwing with him.

Lol...sorry @David cgc , my internet took a shit so between when I posted and when it actually loaded..you posted and made the same point.
 
100% agree, we do not need and I personally would not watch a Section 31 show.
We don't need Star Trek at all. But, if they do a Section 31 show I would give it a shot, largely because Star Trek is something that I have given up too easily on in the past because it was too different.
 
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