Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x06 - "The Bounty"

[Tosk]

There was a recent photo related to this...

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Brent Spiner, Michael Dorn and Scott Bakula having dinner at Sir Patrick's house. Are they working Captain Archer into the story? Perhaps as a hologram in the Federation Day celebrations?

That photo was taken a decade ago.

 

[jackoverfull]

I'm still a bit confused as to how Alton managed to load Data into the new android body. Where did he get that copy of Data FROM

data backed his memories into B4 in Nemesis.

The copy in B-4s head. Basically the same place Maddox got his in Season 1.

Didn’t he SOMEHOW retrieve fragments of Data’s brain and SOMEHOW reconstructed his memories from those?

 

[TRON JA307020]

data backed his memories into B4 in Nemesis.


Didn’t he SOMEHOW retrieve fragments of Data’s brain and SOMEHOW reconstructed his memories from those?

Yeah. I believe he used the B-4 head to extract his copy.

 

[AresB]

That photo was taken a decade ago.

Dangit. I just saw it this weekend and thought it was new, considering the circumstances. My bad. Thanks, Tosk!

 

[jaime]

I'm still a bit confused as to how Alton managed to load Data into the new android body. Where did he get that copy of Data FROM? The original of course died in Nemesis, and the 'copy' passed away in PIC season 1. Did he have a second backup of Data stored somewhere else?

And don't even get me started on Lal. She should have died with Data 1.0 in NEM as well.

Lore and B-4, I can understand, since their original bodies were intact. But I don't see where Alton could have gotten Data or Lal.

Memories, rather than a direct positronic soul as it were. Much like how Data could synthesise a personality from the records of the Omicron colonists, this new one is basically made from all the stuff Data had copied and partitioned away, as stored in B4. Plus a partitioned copy of Alton himself. Data could and likely will eventually become the dominant personality, but he also has his daughter stored in there, and it is easy to see how he would have also stored Lore.
It’s bit like when he first had his emotion chip installed, this new body (which is explicitly not like Picards unless he also got a pack with some Soong USB adapters, and only projects holograms from his eyes in private “And I saw Everything” style) has to go through the churn, and it’s possibly he will correct himself, if Geordi does not do it somehow or trigger it, after the ‘Lore’ scene from the trailer. The Data aspect would be traumatised by almost reliving the events of Descent after all.
It’s the kind of interesting take they should have used to tempt Spiner back in S1, or at the very least a way to allow him to age, as that was always his bugbear. (Even though there was already explicit room for that anyway — I do not believe Nemesis was intended as a final end anyway. That was because not enough people turned up for the film.)

 

[shakham]

Maybe the romulans took it back.
it was an Easter egg, it was even pretty hard to notice without freezing the frame. Can be used to setup stuff if needed, though.

True. I freeze framed to try to read the text, but it was too blurry...lol . I love the general sentiment, but Trek needs to stop treating Picard/Kirk/etc as almost messianic. I mean, are we going to start having Kirk/Picard based DNA modification treatment in Trek (assuming they lift the ban)?

This is my issue with Picard being the ultimate weapon...was that really necessary. I mean give it a rest! If they want to do more TNG, replace the actors, go back in time to that same era, and go from there. Something like SNW is doing.

The original Defiant was destroyed in "THECHANGING FACE OF EVIL". The new one never received a cloaking device. (It was never mentioned in either "THE DOGS OF WAR" or "WHAT YOU LEAVE BEHIND", the only times the new Defiant appeared.)

It's highly unlikely the Romulans would loan them another because the original agreement was basically made null since they never went back to the Gamma Quadrant after the war started.

Ah...my error. Apologies. Yes, also they only could work with what was available in the museum, so unless 30 years after TNG, the Romulan situation was different, it would make sense to not have one available.

 

[jackoverfull]

This is my issue with Picard being the ultimate weapon...was that really necessary. I mean give it a rest!

if they want to use his body to weaponise the Borg it makes a lot of sense, otherwise…we shall see. The season so far has been pretty good, so I’m cautiously optimistic, but I’m also wary of how logic totally fell apart at the end of the past two seasons.

 

[jaime]

I don’t think his body is the weapon, it is just the thing they were really stealing - we don’t know why - for which the theft and use of the weapon was the distraction. An obviously weaponised tech, then being used as a weapon, would take precedence over Picards body, and is much easier to lay the false trail for, which Starfleet Intelligence has thus far overtly followed.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'm still a bit confused as to how Alton managed to load Data into the new android body. Where did he get that copy of Data FROM?

He got it from B4. I'm pretty sure that's said in the episode.

 

[Weyoun 251]

So we are all seeing the use of Picard's body as a potential weapon - what if it is going to be used as a statement instead?

They have captured is and, at Frontier Day, they destroy the body to show their power and incite the Dominion War 2 (Even Warrier Than The Last) so that they can try and get the win?

 

[cooleddie74]

He got it from B4. I'm pretty sure that's said in the episode.

And it by logical deduction would have to come from B4's positronic net. Once Data's physical body was destroyed in NEM all that was left of him was stored in computers and circuitry tucked away at Daystrom and Altan Soong's compound.

 

[shakham]

if they want to use his body to weaponise the Borg it makes a lot of sense, otherwise…we shall see. The season so far has been pretty good, so I’m cautiously optimistic, but I’m also wary of how logic totally fell apart at the end of the past two seasons.

It just gave me bad memories of Star Trek Nemesis.

Based on what we are seeing so far, it doesn't look like a Borg play. If they had already heavily infiltrated Star Fleet at the highest levels, they probably didn't need to do a covert operation to steal the body and portal device, so likely it was before that. That would imply, his body had a genetic piece they needed to evolve the changelings, or evolve humans into changelings, or something like that.

Jack seems to have the ability to tap into the changeling network. Note that they wanted him alive, but then were happy to wait for his ship to be destroyed and die, then wanted him alive again (ie. when demonhead said go get him).

Assuming they actually want him alive, maybe they are going to use Picard's body to genetically strengthen that changeling network gene, and need the live Jack to work with. As Picard is no longer human Picard, you can't use him the same way. Changeling borg network!

Pure speculation of course .

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I think they would have name dropped the Pah Wraiths by now.

I hope to see a Zhat Vash connection to the Changeling plot, two separate groups infiltrating Starfleet Command in so short time stretches it unless they knew of each other and worked together. Their interest in Jack is still a mystery, too. Could they be after the body of Locutus and his nanoprobe-infested son to fight against the Borg, a common threat?

Think it will happen in this week's episode, because we are supposed to get finally get a lot of information about Vadic.

 

[Racefuel]

He got it from B4. I'm pretty sure that's said in the episode.

In the center core area of Daystrom Station, after the Moriarty hologram lets them pass, you can see B4 (which is the actual cast of Brent done for Nemesis) in a storage rack with cables hooked up, and the new AndroGolem that DataLoreLalSoong were stuffed into.

Riker says, very clearly, that Data "copied everything he was" in B4.

 

[Tuskin38]

(which is the actual cast of Brent done for Nemesis)

Yep, which they also used in Season 1.

 

[Commander Troi]

It’s both a warehouse and a museum… hence being called an archive, and the entrance behaves like a welcome zone for visiting researchers. It’s like the British Library of weird alien space stuff. Or even the British Museum, but without a gift shop. That we are aware of.

Can you imagine the Fleet Museum Gift Shop? "All Enterprise D figures 1/2 off!" "Data shampoo bottles 10% off"

 

[Racefuel]

Can you imagine the Fleet Museum Gift Shop? "All Enterprise D figures 1/2 off!" "Data shampoo bottles 10% off"

I know we're getting into the meta economic thing..but what is the point of a gift shop if you can just replicate it...

 

[Turtletrekker]

Can you imagine the Fleet Museum Gift Shop? "All Enterprise D figures 1/2 off!" "Data shampoo bottles 10% off"

"Some of these look like Lore to me."

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Can you imagine the Fleet Museum Gift Shop? "All Enterprise D figures 1/2 off!" "Data shampoo bottles 10% off"

They definitely need to do a „2 Data’s, 1 Riker for free“ offer! XD

 

[Citiprime]

Can you imagine the Fleet Museum Gift Shop? "All Enterprise D figures 1/2 off!" "Data shampoo bottles 10% off"

How do you have discount sales in an economy with no money? LOL