Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x06 - "The Bounty"

[ananta]

Geordi struck me as far more believable this episode.

I agree, I think it was one of the episode’s stronger aspects. It showed how people change over time and how priorities naturally transform. Obviously, having a family will radically alter a person’s outlook and it’s true that people often get more conservative with age. He began as one of the youngest and most eager of TNG characters, almost quite green in the first season, and now he’s an elder statesman and far more grounded in outlook. Until adventure comes calling. It was nicely played by Burton. It’s uncanny how similar he looks to “future Geordi” in All Good Things…

 

[Mr Awe]

Two points from the discussion:

1. About D7’s etc being there and what makes them notable it could just be that they were enemy ships that were captured. There are plenty of things in museums now that are in the museum because they are old and part of history, they don’t need to have belonged to anyone notable.

Indeed, I once saw an American made tank in an Egyptian museum. It was taken from Israel during the Six Day War.

 

[Racefuel]

I agree, I think it was one of the episode’s stronger aspects. It showed how people change over time and how priorities naturally transform. Obviously, having a family will radically alter a person’s outlook and it’s true that people often get more conservative with age. He began as one of the youngest and most eager of TNG characters, almost quite green in the first season, and now he’s an elder statesman and far more grounded in outlook. Until adventure comes calling. It was nicely played by Burton. It’s uncanny how similar he looks to “future Geordi” in All Good Things…

The aging makeup from AGT was *spot on* for Riker and Geordi. They kind of missed the mark on Picard and Crusher since SPS and GM both have aged a little more than they appeared in AGT. Worf is admirably close, it helps that Mike Dorn has aged like fine wine.

What is interesting is in the AGT future it seems that Geordi left Starfleet before reaching any sort of a command rank as he still felt uncomfortable referring to JLP as "Jean Luc", where this Geordi, being flag rank, is more comfortable with it.

 

[DarKush]

If Geordi hadn't been disagreeable at first, then the episode couldn't have the same kind of heart-to-heart character moments and couldn't have given La Forge a mini character arc. I think his reaction noted the passage of time, as well La Forge now having children to protect and a wife to go home to, and I could see him being salty about Picard putting them all in danger. While there's no doubt that he still respected and cared about Jean-Luc and the others, Picard was not the same man he served with. That man died and a synth with his memories/personality was now in his place. But before Picard died, he had become a controversial figure that it was like open season to dump on in the first season, and that lingers into this final season, considering how Shaw treats him.

The way I could see it is that Geordi would not be pleased at all that Picard has dragged his daughter into trouble, and now is asking him and his other daughter to break the law and sacrifice their futures in the process. Though I doubt it will happen, I would like to see La Forge give Picard a piece of his mind about not coming to him to help out with Data's daughter, because I can't see La Forge being happy about not being involved there.

As much as many of us, myself included, want the team back together, it might have been better for one of the old crew to actually say no to Picard. I'm not saying I wanted to see that with Geordi, and I wouldn't want him being considered a villain by fandom or a coward in the series, but I think it might have been more real, more honest, for someone to turn Picard down. We the audience get what Picard is doing and why, but from the outside looking in, Geordi's initial refusal makes sense.

His refusal gave the character more agency, even if for under an hour, than he had in most of TNG or the TNG movies.

I wasn't a fan of Sidney chewing out her father, but it did provide more character moments/development for both characters and was pivotal in La Forge's change of heart. However, I wish it had been more balanced where she also saw the prudence in his stance. La Forge didn't do anything wrong.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Would you prefer John Luck Pickard?

Picarhh is the proper French pronunciation.
And I don’t know about other countries, but the German dub has always had the d at the end silent. Pretty sure French dubs would also opt for actual French pronunciation.

And it wasn’t my impression that the family ever anglicized the name.

 

[Racefuel]

I wasn't a fan of Sidney chewing out her father, but it did provide more character moments/development for both characters and was pivotal in La Forge's change of heart. However, I wish it had been more balanced where she also saw the prudence in his stance. La Forge didn't do anything wrong.

Neither Sidney nor Geordi were in the wrong. Geordi is looking at this as a father who forgot what it was like to be young. Sidney is looking at this from youth wanting the same experiences that made her father her father.

Sidney getting into Geordis business is very much something a S3-S4 Geordi would have done.

 

[Mr Awe]

It’s going to amaze me if none of our characters ever aren’t changelings.

Well, that's a tricky one. It makes sense dramatically to have a surprise like that. However, they brought these characters back to have a reunion, so it would be disappointing if one turned out to be a Changeling. They also know each other and their histories so well that it would be hard to fool them.

So, I'm leaning towards none of the main TNG characters being Changelings. But I wouldn't put money on that!

 

[MrShinzoff]

I think Gepard's recent post is a fair criticism of the episode. I rated it as a 7 but I still loved it. That moment when Data recognises Geordie and the way he said, "Captain" genuinely brought me to tears. The way they intercut the Farpoint scene was also very emotional and really well done.

I have no idea what a non-TNG fan would make of this show but for me - someone who thinks of the Enterprise D as being like a childhood home - I am very thankful this show has been made.

 

[DarKush]

Neither Sidney nor Geordi were in the wrong. Geordi is looking at this as a father who forgot what it was like to be young. Sidney is looking at this from youth wanting the same experiences that made her father her father.

Sidney getting into Geordis business is very much something a S3-S4 Geordi would have done.

While I don't disagree with you necessarily, I would say that while Sidney might want to be her father, she isn't him. She also has sought to make her own way outside his purview. And the way I see it, all Geordi perhaps is hearing before Titan shows up at his doorstep is news about Picard going renegade....again, and not being considerate enough to keep his daughter out of it.

I can't say that TNG Geordi would've had the same reaction because we saw very little interaction with his parents, just his father really.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, that's a tricky one. It makes sense dramatically to have a surprise like that. However, they brought these characters back to have a reunion, so it would be disappointing if one turned out to be a Changeling. They also know each other and their histories so well that it would be hard to fool them.

So, I'm leaning towards none of the main TNG characters being Changelings. But I wouldn't put money on that!

I think the only last twist will be who the Vadic puppeteer is. I doubt the main characters are going to be Changelings.

 

[Mr Awe]

I don't get what Vadic's plan is. They've stolen Picard's dead body and they want Jack. Why? I've seen people suggesting that they want to weaponise Irumodic Syndrome but it isn't a virus it's a neurological condition, and surely Picard and Jack can't be the only people who have it, even if this was the goal? And if they have Picard's body why do they still need Jack? Unless Picard's body can't give them what they want?

This is what it seems like to me. First, they went and got JL's body. That didn't have what they needed. So, they went after Jack. I'm thinking it's passed on nanites. Not any nanites but special Locutus nanites with special Executive privileges in the Borg network and/or special abilities. Maybe not activated until proximity to the Changelings for some reason. I'm more leaning towards them being able cure the disease that is obviously afflicting the Changelings we've seen. But we'll see.

 

[Mr Awe]

The red eyes that Jack had in the one episode really do make me wonder of the Pah-Wraiths are somehow involved. Which would of course be an excuse to bring Sisko back in as well.

As much as I love DS9 (my favorite 90s Trek), I'm hoping it's not the Pah-Wraiths. Introducing, dealing with, and resolving a plot involving them requires more time to do effectively than what's left in the season--particularly when considering the other things needing to be wrapped up.

It's safe to assume that other species/phenomena can have red eyes.

 

[Charles Phipps]

That man died and a synth with his memories/personality was now in his place.

Does anyone treat Picard as a different person?

It seems only fans want to treat him as a clone of Picard.

 

[Racefuel]

As much as I love DS9 (my favorite 90s Trek), I'm hoping it's not the Pah-Wraiths. Introducing, dealing with, and resolving a plot involving them requires more time to do effectively than what's left in the season--particularly when considering the other things needing to be wrapped up.

It's safe to assume that other species/phenomena can have red eyes.

I don't think this story is going to be fully concluding with this season. I think whatever is being set up is kind of being developed as a MCU/Star Wars style multi-series/multi-generational storyline

 

[Racefuel]

Does anyone treat Picard as a different person?

It seems only fans want to treat him as a clone of Picard.

Crusher kind of did, referring to Datas new "synthetic but human" form as being "Like you, Jean Luc"

 

[Lord Garth]

Terry Matalas thinks of him as Picard, Patrick Stewart thinks of him as Picard. And we're science-fiction fans. Having a consciousness transferred into another body isn't exactly a radical, mind-bending concept.

Joe Schmoe next door might not be able to go along with it, but we should be able to.

On the other hand, it's fodder for the #NotMyPicard crowd and gives them an out to disassociate the character.

 

[fireproof78]

It's safe to assume that other species/phenomena can have red eyes.

Indeed. I am expecting an older species to return, as they tie up the series.

Terry Matalas thinks of him as Picard, Patrick Stewart thinks of him as Picard. And we're science-fiction fans. Having a consciousness transferred into another body isn't exactly a radical, mind-bending concept.

"That green blooded son of a bitch..."

 

[Racefuel]

Terry Matalas thinks of him as Picard, Patrick Stewart thinks of him as Picard. And we're science-fiction fans. Having a consciousness transferred into another body isn't exactly a radical, mind-bending concept.

You mean like having your conciousness gutted, copied and stuffed into a ships CMO, causing him to have manic depressive disorder and then having your body be returned to life as a mindless, instinctual battering ram only to have your old conciousness and spirit copy-and-pasted into the new-old body?

Interesting concept

 

[Mr Awe]

I hate the way Marina Sirtis is being used. First, she gets to whine about being left home with the baby while hubby is out drinking with a friend. Then, she gets held hostage for leverage over hubby.

There's still 40% of the season left. Let's see what she does going forward. Hopefully, she can play a more meaningful role.

 

[Farscape One]

Star Trek: will ignore basic safety features for drama.

Like surge protectors on the bridge? (Or anywhere else on Starfleet ships, for that matter.)