Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x10 - "Farewell"

[AllenPCarlson]

Wow, I'm surprised by how many people really liked the ending.

It didn't disappoint me since my expectations were so low, but I wouldn't call it amazing.

 

[137th Gebirg]

The goodbye scene between Picard and Q was worth it. I am not one who shows unchecked emotion easily. I lost it with that bit. The last time I even remotely felt like that was with the Picard/Riker/Deanna reunion in S1's "Nepenthe". The dialogue was only part of it. The raw emotion demonstrated by these actors, though their characters, was a highly uncommon experience.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I like how the various character threads wrapped up even if I thought that it took far too long to get to that point. The farewell between Picard and Q was definitely a highlight.

 

[Vale]

The last time I even remotely felt like that was with the Picard/Riker/Deanna reunion in S1's "Nepenthe". The dialogue was only part of it. The raw emotion demonstrated by these actors, though their characters, was a highly uncommon experience.

Precisely this. The warmth the actors feel for each other and the decades of real-life friendship just bleed through the screen.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Spoiler: So the Aegis . . .

. . . are the Travelers?

Spoiler: And Raffi and Seven . . .

. . . become lovers?

Spoiler: and the uncharacteristically polite Borg Queen we met before we were slammed into the past . . .

. . . was Agnes, trying to stop a massive threat?

Spoiler: And Rios . . .

. . . decides to stay in the past . . .

Spoiler: . . . allowing Q to . . .

. . . bring Elnor back?

I liked it. But it still contradicts "Time's Arrow." For no damn good reason. Unless the 21st century Guinan was simply pretending to not know Picard.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I liked it. But it still contradicts "Time's Arrow." For no damn good reason. Unless the 21st century Guinan was simply pretending to not know Picard.

To be fair it contradicts every episode; the heroes came from a bad future where Star Trek never happened. It's Punk on a Bus remembering getting neck-pinched in The Voyage Home that's the real contradiction.

 

[thribs]

I don’t think the spoiler tags are necessary now.

 

[Weyoun 251]

I don’t think the spoiler tags are necessary now.

Adds some stylistic flair and momentum in a strange way

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I don’t think the spoiler tags are necessary now.

Really? The DVD set hasn't been out all that long (although certainly longer than the SNW DVD set I scored a few days ago), and some of us don't do paywall streams, or binge-watch entire seasons in less than a week.

Adds some stylistic flair and momentum in a strange way

Yes, and that's pretty much what I'd intended, the way I set up the spoiler tags.

And no, the heroes were cut and pasted into "a bad future where Star Trek never happened." And Punk-on-Bus (and the main body of the season arc) happened before the "bad future" diverged off.

But I do prefer Greg Cox's version of how the Eugenics Wars happened.

 

[thribs]

I just mean the thread is already tagged for spoilers. That means you can talk about this episode without hiding things.

 

[fireproof78]

I liked it. But it still contradicts "Time's Arrow." For no damn good reason. Unless the 21st century Guinan was simply pretending to not know Picard.

Time travel rules.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Yes a spoiler tagged thread for episode 10 would be fine to have details upto and incouding episode 10. Spoiler tag any details about season 3 of course.

When referring to events in other series 6 months is the rule.

that said season 2 was out more than 6 months ago so I believe doesn’t need any spoiler tags anywhere.

 

[Tuskin38]

I liked it. But it still contradicts "Time's Arrow." For no damn good reason. Unless the 21st century Guinan was simply pretending to not know Picard.

Guinan didn't remember Picard because the future he came from never existed, so he couldn't have travelled back in time to meet her. According to the producers.

The Punk on the bus was just an easter egg, that they admitted it doesn't make much sense. Maybe some residue timy-whimy stuff made him react that way.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Yes a spoiler tagged thread for episode 10 would be fine to have details upto and incouding episode 10. Spoiler tag any details about season 3 of course.

When referring to events in other series 6 months is the rule.

that said season 2 was out more than 6 months ago so I believe doesn’t need any spoiler tags anywhere.

All of this, and I'll add that within this forum, the spoiler threshold for discussing Picard is a mere two weeks. That's from when the episode was released on streaming, not physical media.

 

[gvn2fly]

To be fair it contradicts every episode; the heroes came from a bad future where Star Trek never happened. It's Punk on a Bus remembering getting neck-pinched in The Voyage Home that's the real contradiction.

It's an easter egg and he grabbed his neck - doesn't mean he encountered Spock from TVH. Or maybe he encountered bad future Spock and that's why he grabbed his neck.

 

[fireproof78]

It's an easter egg and he grabbed his neck - doesn't mean he encountered Spock from TVH. Or maybe he encountered bad future Spock and that's why he grabbed his neck.

Ooohhh...that's a fun idea. Confederation Spock went back in time for plot reasons and did the same thing.

Could be a fun novel.

 

[gvn2fly]

The goodbye scene between Picard and Q was worth it. I am not one who shows unchecked emotion easily. I lost it with that bit. The last time I even remotely felt like that was with the Picard/Riker/Deanna reunion in S1's "Nepenthe". The dialogue was only part of it. The raw emotion demonstrated by these actors, though their characters, was a highly uncommon experience.

Q had just killed a bunch of people (the soldiers, fakeLaris, Elnor) for the sake of his test to Picard..and Picard responds by.....hugging him.

 

[gvn2fly]

Ooohhh...that's a fun idea. Confederation Spock went back in time for plot reasons and did the same thing.

Could be a fun novel.

Unless the Confederation was powerful enough to destroy the whale probe by that point..or maybe whales never went extinct but I doubt it base don the future we saw.

 

[Oddish]

Ooohhh...that's a fun idea. Confederation Spock went back in time for plot reasons and did the same thing.

Only he did it a lot harder, and enjoyed it more. Because Evil Spock.

 

[jackoverfull]

The problem with that is that the confederation doesn’t know time travel is a thing.