IMHO it completely, 100% ruins the finale of DS9 if Sisko never came back and Kasidy had to raise their child alone.
Sisko was nothing if not a devoted father. He would return for that, Prophets be damned.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x06 - "The Bounty"
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IMHO it completely, 100% ruins the finale of DS9 if Sisko never came back and Kasidy had to raise their child alone.
Sisko was nothing if not a devoted father. He would return for that, Prophets be damned.
More morbid to leave his body on an alien planet. Closure is important.
Ok, so. Theory time.
Jack's visions are clearly not just the Irumodic Syndrome (or however that's spelled). So, what are they?
Our data points:
1) Jack has the Syndrome. This means his brain is different and he is potentially prone to hallucinations or visions.
2) The changelings want him in a bad way.
3) The changelings stole Picard's body (presumably from after his death in S1, when he relocated to his positronic current residence) from Daystrom.
4) Every time Jack has a vine vision is IMMEDIATELY after making direct, physical contact with a changeling.
Theory: they aren't visions at all. They are communication. Jack has, without his knowledge, picked up a rebel changeling. It is riding his body around like a carriage, using him to hide from it's fellows. It is possible it is even some kind of next gen changeling, like a child or evolution (fitting the season's legacy themes).
It can, because of Jack's Irumodic Syndrome, make a limited connection to Jack's brain. Allowing it to, for example, warn him of other changelings or direct his fight against them. However, by nature, when it makes contact with other changelings it is driven towards the Great Link and unification. Jack's visions are like an empathic echo of that sensation. An instinctive drive to be made whole, reflected in surreal imagery and only possible because of the weirdness of Jack's brain.
What if Jack picking up this rider is even why the changelings stole JP's corpse? Trying to understand the connection?
Jack's visions are clearly not just the Irumodic Syndrome (or however that's spelled). So, what are they?
Our data points:
1) Jack has the Syndrome. This means his brain is different and he is potentially prone to hallucinations or visions.
2) The changelings want him in a bad way.
3) The changelings stole Picard's body (presumably from after his death in S1, when he relocated to his positronic current residence) from Daystrom.
4) Every time Jack has a vine vision is IMMEDIATELY after making direct, physical contact with a changeling.
Theory: they aren't visions at all. They are communication. Jack has, without his knowledge, picked up a rebel changeling. It is riding his body around like a carriage, using him to hide from it's fellows. It is possible it is even some kind of next gen changeling, like a child or evolution (fitting the season's legacy themes).
It can, because of Jack's Irumodic Syndrome, make a limited connection to Jack's brain. Allowing it to, for example, warn him of other changelings or direct his fight against them. However, by nature, when it makes contact with other changelings it is driven towards the Great Link and unification. Jack's visions are like an empathic echo of that sensation. An instinctive drive to be made whole, reflected in surreal imagery and only possible because of the weirdness of Jack's brain.
What if Jack picking up this rider is even why the changelings stole JP's corpse? Trying to understand the connection?
I just want to know why no one seemed to be doing any research at/on Daystrom. No wonder the Federation was falling behind in the run-up to the burn.
It was kind of out in the middle of nowhere, wasn’t it?
This is more of a storage place than a research base. Like the warehouse in Indiana Jones.
That was the impression. Plus the nearby habitated planet that may find him.
The missing section of this is that these changelings are...meatier...than the O.G. ones. They're closer in physiology to humans, arguably more compatible. And they don't actually lose their form when they die.
So let's say that Jack had some childhood illness that needed medical attention Beverly hasn't brought up yet. Say he ended up with a busted ticker like his old man, because it's nice when narratives rhyme. Bev got a new heart for him, but unbeknownst to her, it was actually a changeling corpse. So Jack's been running around with changeling parts ever since.
Maybe Starfleet Intelligence or Temporal Investigations or both thought that since Kirk was a time traveler from the past that leaving his body on a planet that one day might be visited by the inhabitants of Veridian IV after they develop space travel might be a risk of cultural contamination. Also: it's James T. Kirk. You don't just leave him under a pile of rocks on an uninhabited, arid planet for the rest of time and eternity.
I'm mostly disappointed in how the writers are handling character conflict and introductions. We have yet another scene where two characters sit down together and yell at each other, only to be convinced in the next scene that they need to work together.
It's just... trite? Boring? I'm not sure what it is, but they've done this with pretty much all the characters and I'm tired of it.
The episode itself was fine. The fanservice isn't doing much for me because I'm at a point where I want to be more invested in the story, not some dumb reference to Star Trek 4, but the show hasn't really given me much meat there. But I also understand that people love this stuff, so I'm definitely in the minority.
It's just... trite? Boring? I'm not sure what it is, but they've done this with pretty much all the characters and I'm tired of it.
The episode itself was fine. The fanservice isn't doing much for me because I'm at a point where I want to be more invested in the story, not some dumb reference to Star Trek 4, but the show hasn't really given me much meat there. But I also understand that people love this stuff, so I'm definitely in the minority.
Someone who (offscreen) would've had ties with the Dominion/Changelings and who very much has a history with Picard would be Gul Madred. However, David Warner passed away some time ago, and Madred kidnapping Picard's corpse and going after Picard's son seems a bit of disproportionate retribution, even for him, over not telling him there are 5 lights.
Something caught my ear on rewatch during Vadic's monolog at the start of the episode:
Vadic said:
Emphasis added. Maybe something is trying to communicate with the changelings. Are they all having these visions?
what about Gul Evek? More followio to preemptive strike.
Changelings didn't like talking, they had the Great Link. Silence. Peace. Unity.
I'm thinking Vadic and the other rebels can't actually join the Link any more with their meaty bodies.
He wasn't really a villain, he parted on good terms from both Picard and Sisko. Then Chakotay blew him up in the Badlands.
Jean Luc Peecaaar. Lol
I agree wholeheartedly. HOWEVER, Ben’s return is not something that can be glossed over. Having him just appear would be even more of a disservice to the character and his arc. And it’s not something that can be easily explained when the story already has so many other masters to serve.
Imagine if they could splice genes and develop the flying wall kick barrel roll. Enemies of the Federation would have no choice but to just surrender from that point forward.
Maybe these are residual effects of Section 31's disease and Odo for some reason couldn't cure everyone.
Maybe Section 31 used Picard's irumodic syndrome as the basis for their plague against the Founders (thus the bizarre retcon that Picard had irumodic syndrome for decades, at odds with what Benayoun said in Season 1).
Odo's cure wasn't complete, some changelings were still suffering effects.
Beverly said in this episode that she hotwired something into Jack to try to delay irumodic syndrome. That's why the changelings are after him.
If the changelings wanted to pull a Starkiller base on Frontier day, they don't need Picard's corpse or Jack to do that. The weapons on the Shrike and the fact that they can chain rig the fleet together are enough for that. Maybe they want to make a statement with Picard's corpse and show that the DNA from his irumodic diseased body was weaponized against changelings.
I always imagined it was bad timing. JL plops the last stone in place, and a minute later a shuttle appears over the horizon. I can hear him now: "Well...shit. That was a lot of sweat for nothing!"
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