It's pearl clutching plain and simple.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"
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Well, in Andor one of Syril's officers says "shit" and that was the first use of that word in a filmed Star Wars production (I can't speak to language I might never have seen in novels) so even that franchise has people living in space and using the 21st century Earth obscenities a lot of people don't like.
So "Shit" dates back to a Galaxy far far away and a long time ago?
It depends on the character, which is why it's strange for some viewers to hear that kind of word coming from Picard, who is supposed to be straightlaced (albeit he's retired now), and from Shaw who boasted about how picture-perfect he and his ship were in the season premiere.
For what it's worth, sometimes less is more. In regards to Andor for example, I think it was infinitely more effective in the scenes with Blevin and Dedra Meero that his words were professional but his contempt and disdain for Meero were beneath the surface rather than voiced in a bunch of 4 letter words at her.
George Lucas was a depraved dirty boy.
The guy who says "merde"? That Picard?
So "Shit" dates back to a Galaxy far far away and a long time ago?
Pretty good for "shit."
Not sure "picture perfect" and maintaining that illusion necessarily translates into somebody not being an ass who uses obscenities but hey, everybody's got their own standards for proper behavior.
I mean, Shaw was literally saying they wouldn't find dust on the Titan's control panels.
One use of an F-bomb from a character with over 200 appearances should not ruin the character. I get the concept of comfort level but I also see a certain amount of pearl clutching when it comes to some characters using profanity. I just think there are bigger things to be upset about in life and in Star Trek.
Hell, I'd expect someone that tightly-wound and rigid to be an ass who spouts bad words. I should know. When I'm hyperfocused and organized and trying to adhere to very high standards I'm more prone to be short tempered or obnoxious.
What I love about Mad Men is that it showed what was really going underneath the image of Midcentury Americana. I think a lot of people want to go back to that, but an image was all it ever was. Something to make people feel better after the Depression and World War II to get back to some "normalcy". And our entire Culture War today is based on what things really are versus getting back to that unsustainable image that looks down upon or marginalizes anyone who doesn't fit it.
Despite what the propaganda of the day might suggest ("oh, look at me, I cuss all the time, therefore I'm better than you"), foul language doesn't always fit.
I mean, in a Tarantino movie for example, people swear every other word, so it's not out of place there. But we're simply not used to hearing Trek characters talk like that. And when they do, it just seems kind of weird. It'd be like watching the news and hearing the newsreader let loose with a load of gutter talk right in the middle of a broadcast.
Viewers are, I think, entitled to feel just a WEE bit freaked out by that.
Or, to put it another way...even some of George Carlin's funniest routines were clean.
I mean, in a Tarantino movie for example, people swear every other word, so it's not out of place there. But we're simply not used to hearing Trek characters talk like that. And when they do, it just seems kind of weird. It'd be like watching the news and hearing the newsreader let loose with a load of gutter talk right in the middle of a broadcast.
Viewers are, I think, entitled to feel just a WEE bit freaked out by that.
Or, to put it another way...even some of George Carlin's funniest routines were clean.
The same movie had someone call the Klingon Ambassador a "Pompous ass".
Also confused as to why you're censoring your self in your posts. There's no rules about swearing here.
We almost got a 'Fuck' in the Andor season finale. It was even said on set that day, but was changed in the final audio.
Well they're not swearing every other word in Picard Season 3.Despite what the propaganda of the day might suggest ("oh, look at me, I cuss all the time, therefore I'm better than you"), foul language doesn't always fit.
I mean, in a Tarantino movie for example, people swear every other word, so it's not out of place there. But we're simply not used to hearing Trek characters talk like that. And when they do, it just seems kind of weird. It'd be like watching the news and hearing the newsreader let loose with a load of gutter talk right in the middle of a broadcast.
Viewers are, I think, entitled to feel just a WEE bit freaked out by that.
Or, to put it another way...even some of George Carlin's funniest routines were clean.
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O'Brian said 'bollocks' in one episode of DS9. While not vulgar in North America, it is in the UK.
Kind of like those who look down upon or marginalize anyone who doesn't constantly swear, or who might not care for hearing same, as being engaged in "pearl clutching".
You're right. I'm still mad about Picard's "not good enough, damn it." Never went back.
Jay in the View Askewniverse is one of the most foul-mouthed characters in pop culture and he's also a guy with a good heart who just isn't all that bright.
Nootch.
Nootch.
