Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"

[jaime]

If this turns out to be the case, then all I have to say is

Really? Why? I think it would be a decently Trek kind of story. The spy who goes native? New life at the end of it? Picards a synth now, what if crusher is changeling too far gone solid.
I think it’s extremely unlikely, but interesting,

 

[TerryTrek]

That wouldn't make sense because we saw this Beverly getting mortally wounded.

And we know about changlings and blood.

Bev is the real deal.

 

[Skyshadow]

Picard wasn’t at Narendra III, even in the alternate timeline of Yeaterday’s Enterprise. Their battle was in a different place, Narendra III was on the other side of the rift and only the Enterprise-C was there.

Surely you can see the point I was making, I am well aware Picard was not saying he was there but he played an active part through ordering the Enterprise C back through the rift to take part in the battle, given what would happen if they did not, it was this choice as well as sending Tasha Yar back who did not belong in that time period, all actions Picard has personal responsibility for.

 

[Ovation]

Really? Why? I think it would be a decently Trek kind of story. The spy who goes native? New life at the end of it? Picards a synth now, what if crusher is changeling too far gone solid.
I think it’s extremely unlikely, but interesting,

It’s the equivalent of the decision to have Lorca be from the Mirror Universe. We can’t have “our heroes” display flaws…gasp…won’t someone think of the I Can’t Abide Having My Expectations Challenged club? Dr. Crusher can’t have made a serious mistake like hiding her kid from his father. Must be an impostor.

 

[Ssosmcin]

There's no evidence the writers were making fun of it.

I agree, no reason why Matalas would, it's not like he joined up to save the series after that.

 

[Gepard]

Any of these "so-and-so characters have been changelings the entire season" ideas miss that it would undercut the character drama entirely.* Sure, they could make Bev a changeling, but then what of her conflict with Picard over Jack? Turns out it wasn't real because it wasn't really her.

*Or maybe that's the point because people don't want conflict between legacy characters.

 

[jaime]

It’s the equivalent of the decision to have Lorca be from the Mirror Universe. We can’t have “our heroes” display flaws…gasp…won’t someone think of the I Can’t Abide Having My Expectations Challenged club? Dr. Crusher can’t have made a serious mistake like hiding her kid from his father. Must be an impostor.

*if* it were true, it would be a doubling down on the mistake — as the changeling Bev would also be lying.
It’s entirely impossible anyway — this must be Beverly, because she’s undergone medical treatment. For a moment, I considered that she could have been replaced (and Jack be a plant) after the seasons opening, but all the flashbacks and the medical treatment make that impossible.

But having our heroes not display flaws, in this instance, is a valid thing when talking about Trek, particularly TNG (Genes Dream TM was codified by that point, and no not the one about money, or the fountains…) and everything is always in how it is handled. So far this season has always made sure things are addressed.

Still think it’s going to be interesting when Worf and Picard discuss parenting…

 

[johnjm22]

Nonsensical? A bit.

This season leans super heavy on the melodrama. If that's what you're looking for, melodramatic moments between these larger-than-life characters, then season 3 is certainly going to top the charts, and that's perfectly fine.

For me, though S3 Picard is doing what S1 Discovery did, and since I didn't really enjoy S1 Discovery, it's not going to have as much a positive effect on me. It also means where people have invested so much into these people and their history, minor and even major quibbles are going to be ignored for the bigger picture while folks like myself who are unsatisfied with how it's unfolding will notice them and it will degrade our enjoyment. It's just the way attention spans work.

Offensive? Not at all. For me, it's just going in a different direction than I'd hoped. That's not the writers' fault. They can't please everyone, nor should they even try. I'm still along for the ride because I will hope for really good moments and I want to see the resolution of these characters I've loved for most of my life.

I think there's a lot of "cheap" drama in the show. That's one of my biggest issues with it. Along with over-use of modern vernacular in the dialog.

Some of the character conflicts/quibbles don't make much sense IMO. It's just there to create the melodrama. Which is lame.

That said, I think it's much better overall than Discovery S1, because PIC S3 is telling a more cohesive story, where as DISCO S1 was a mess.

 

[Tomalak]

A human/Changeling hybrid would be a very Star Trek idea, but I'm not sure that's what's happening here yet.

 

[Ovation]

But having our heroes not display flaws, in this instance, is a valid thing when talking about Trek, particularly TNG

I strongly disagree, insofar as that attitude has been my biggest beef with TNG since I first watched it as an undergrad in the 80s.

I like Trek. Quite a bit. I own all the movies, most of the complete series available, and the only Trek I ever stopped watching is Prodigy—don’t hate it, just doesn’t grab my attention. I have dozens of novels (though it’s been many years since I’ve read one—got to be too many to keep up) and comics (similar to novels but I still peek at new ones from time to time as it requires less effort).

I watched TNG and enjoyed it, despite my annoyance with the “flawless” attitude (I’ve enjoyed all Trek, save Prodigy, just not all equally). My interest in Picard was, however, strongly piqued when it was sold to me as NOT TNG 2.0. When this season became a “let’s get the band back together” story, my interest dropped dramatically. But I usually try something before I dismiss it and, to my relief, the “flawless” bits seem largely absent. If it wasn’t, I’d certainly not be tuning in each week but rather wait until I could get around to it, eventually (as I would—it’s Trek).

So any story that would set up the characters as people who aren’t flawless, like current depictions, and then pull a switch, like Lorca, because “flawless” and “Gene’s Vision”, would be quite the disappointment. is just a shorthand for that.

 

[Tuskin38]

Regarding the change in Changeling FX

 

[Ovation]

Keep. Watching. The. Show. or Wait. For. The. Story. To. Finish. should be a mandatory part of school curricula. So many fewer arguments would ensue.

 

[Campe]

Keep. Watching. The. Show. or Wait. For. The. Story. To. Finish. should be a mandatory part of school curricula. So many fewer arguments would ensue.

Yeah, that makes too much sense.

 

[Ovation]

Yeah, that makes too much sense.

I know. What was I thinking?

 

[fireproof78]

Keep. Watching. The. Show. or Wait. For. The. Story. To. Finish. should be a mandatory part of school curricula. So many fewer arguments would ensue.

Ridiculous. Go sit in the corner and think about what you said!

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Regarding the change in Changeling FX

I'm calling it now. The reason for the FX change is that the changelings we saw so far are infected by Pah Wraiths.

 

[Campe]

I'm calling it now. The reason for the FX change is that the changelings we saw so far are infected by Pah Wraiths.

If that’s the case, sounds like there might actually be a return to DS9 in our future. Appearance by Starfleet Commodore Kira Nerys, perhaps?

 

[The Old Mixer]

Surely you can see the point I was making, I am well aware Picard was not saying he was there but he played an active part through ordering the Enterprise C back through the rift to take part in the battle, given what would happen if they did not, it was this choice as well as sending Tasha Yar back who did not belong in that time period, all actions Picard has personal responsibility for.

Does he, though? Is one responsible for the actions of their counterpart in an alternate timeline that they themselves never experienced?

 

[Tomalak]

If that’s the case, sounds like there might actually be a return to DS9 in our future. Appearance by Starfleet Commodore Kira Nerys, perhaps?

Nah, Kai Kira and the Emissary.

 

[Campe]

Nah, Kai Kira and the Emissary.

I’d be okay with Kai Kira but I’m going to be honest and suggest I don’t want Sisko to appear. Honestly? His story was left perfectly. Unless it’s minimal (like say him appearing to Picard with a white background and talking about linear time) any return by The Sisko is going to disappoint in some form or fashion.