Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"

[Ssosmcin]

Since this season is all about the nostalgia and there's a heavy DS9 connection, Floating Skull Guy was a Pah-Wraith ("p'agh?"). Jack's got one inside him. Changelings have some inside them too. Vadic also.

"Come find me" could be Prophets. I'd plotz if Avery Brooks came back at the end. The Shaw/Sisko parallel is strong. A heart to heart between the Emissary and the Dick would be fun to see.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Since this season is all about the nostalgia and there's a heavy DS9 connection, Floating Skull Guy was a Pah-Wraith ("p'agh?"). Jack's got one inside him. Changelings have some inside them too. Vadic also.

"Come find me" could be Prophets. I'd plotz if Avery Brooks came back at the end. The Shaw/Sisko parallel is strong. A heart to heart between the Emissary and the Dick would be fun to see.

Yep, that's what i think too. Could it be that Vadic is the female founder partly possessed by Gul Dukat??

 

[Tuskin38]

So is Vadic a complete changling? or she just has changeling goo for a hand? or are we supposed to not be certain?

Terry says she and her crew are changelings

I just checked - he does say Tamarians, not Talarians

I watched it 3 times, I hear Talarians

The weird shit on the stargazer was mentioned this episode

He was talking about the original stargazer

 

[jackoverfull]

I should make clear I have no problem with any of this.

I understand it would be more difficult to film but my brain couldn’t shut off the question “why is the gravity still on?”

didn’t need people floating around, could just get all the bridge crew to strap in before saying anything.

if artificial gravity and inertial dampers are linked it would be logical they kept gravity on: without dampers they would be chewing gums on the bulkheads pretty quickly.

 

[jackoverfull]

He was talking about the original stargazer

i don’t think so: the “real Borg” comment wouldn’t make sense then.

 

[Tuskin38]

i don’t think so: the “real Borg” comment wouldn’t make sense then.

He came in as Jack and Picard were talking about the original

 

[jackoverfull]

I know. But it still had nothing to do with “fake” Borg, while S2’s events are still pretty recent and someone might forget that the real Borg are still a menace.

 

[Mike Doyle]

“Forget about all that weird shit on the stargazer, the real Borg are still out there”

The original radiant class stargazer wouldn’t have encountered the Borg and neither would the constellation class one that Picard and Jack were talking about.

They were talking about the Constellation class when he came in but then there was a fairly long bit about the Borg. I think that’s what Shaw was clearly talking about.

 

[Skyshadow]

I've just tried to catch up with all the posts so apologies if this has been posted elsewhere.

The Vadic being revealed to be a changeling was really poor and let the episode down IMHO.

We've never seen them needing to cut themselves to detach a part, add in the smoking and these red herrings go further and really start to contradict what we know about changelings, maybe it is just to throw us off the scent, but in the same way as if we start seeing Borg being able to fly, it just feels forced when better writing could still keep things up in the air.

I am also not even sure what the point of cutting part of her hand off is supposed to signify, maybe there is a pay off later, but this is another symptom of the streaming service adding in elements that picked up later and can make watching some episodes difficult as they make no sense first time around, not an issue with subtle plot threads, but this made little to no sense and a little exposition would have improved matters a lot.

The whole episode was good as the plot got advanced, although it seems Vadic is playing her own game not doing as she is told and crippling the Titan and then being ordered to destroy them, with the changeling on board as well, what purpose does a two pronged attack have, unless the changeling on board is trying to achieve some other agenda, they could simply destroy the ship a dozen different ways if they wanted to.

I've read some posts about Jack being part Borg through Picard and his swimmers having nanoprobes in then......the visions are the collective calling to him, this could explain why he sees Seven in his vision as her nanoprobes or physiology may hold the key to unlocking what he sees.

Overall a good strong episode that concludes the nebula arc quite well but still leaves us with questions as to why a lot is going on. My personal theory is there are a lot of callbacks to The Enterprise C, what with The Red Lady and models of the C being shown, I strongly believe that something about the battle of Narendra III will be an action that comes back to haunt Picard, ironic considering he has no memory of it as it is from a collapsed timeline. I also think there may be some link between the changelings needing to shed another skin of evil and creating a new Armus, both giving the potential to the Tasha Yar reference in the show.

 

[Mike Doyle]

I can’t get my head around the problem people have with a changeling smoking.

As others have said they could easily make lungs and maybe just like it.

But actually I thought it was a call back as the most prominent cigar smoker that I think of in Star Trek is probably Martia who is a shapeshifter. There’s enough callbacks to the TOS movies already.

 

[Tuskin38]

this could explain why he sees Seven in his vision as her nanoprobes or physiology may hold the key to unlocking what he sees.

He wasn’t imagining seven, she was in the room with him. He was hallucinating what she was actually saying though.

 

[Lord Garth]

"Forget that weird shit on the Stargazer, the real Borg are still out there" was a double-entendre.

 

[Mike Doyle]

My personal theory is there are a lot of callbacks to The Enterprise C, what with The Red Lady and models of the C being shown, I strongly believe that something about the battle of Narendra III will be an action that comes back to haunt Picard, ironic considering he has no memory of it as it is from a collapsed timeline. I also think there may be some link between the changelings needing to shed another skin of evil and creating a new Armus, both giving the potential to the Tasha Yar reference in the show.

Picard wasn’t at Narendra III, even in the alternate timeline of Yeaterday’s Enterprise. Their battle was in a different place, Narendra III was on the other side of the rift and only the Enterprise-C was there.

 

[TerryTrek]

The weird shit on the stargazer was mentioned this episode.

The real Borg are still out there.

In a literal sense, he was referring to the incident with Picard and Jack.

However, the wording of that script dialogue by Terry intentionally or unintentionally (likely the former) makes fun of this silly nonsense;

The dialogue so far this season was definitely written by a Star Trek fan. There's some deeper meanings. Worf literally gets "Denied" in the preview for the next episode, lol.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Perhaps the longer a Changeling is away from the Great Link reduces the effectiveness of Odo's cure, and the smoke that the Changelings ingest contain some sort of medicinal property that keeps the virus at bay.

 

[Tuskin38]

makes fun of this silly nonsense;

There's no evidence the writers were making fun of it.

 

[Jayson1]

"Come find me" is Doctor Crusher. I am almost positive.

 

[Tomalak]

The other reason I thought of that these are the some of the 100 the Founders sent out was, as we know, a Changeling is drawn to the Omarion nebula. Maybe some of the 100 Founders made it to the nebula after the Founders resettled and are pissed, thinking the Federation destroyed their homeworld?

This is a pretty good theory - did they have some innate homing ability, or does the Link have some kind of distant subspace ability that draws Changelings to wherever the Great Link was?

I don't think the Omarion Nebula planet was their actual origin point, I got the impression it was just the latest of many over the centuries. Presumably they knew they might have to move around when they sent out the Hundred.

 

[jaime]

"Come find me" is Doctor Crusher. I am almost positive.

Hmm. So the Beverly on board is not actual Beverly?

edit: in fact I like that idea… what if Beverly was replaced twenty years ago, and the changeling did too good a job and got pregnant? And now aktual beverly is kept somewhere? I mean… I doubt that’s it, but it’s possible.

 

[Ovation]

Hmm. So the Beverly on board is not actual Beverly?

edit: in fact I like that idea… what if Beverly was replaced twenty years ago, and the changeling did too good a job and got pregnant? And now aktual beverly is kept somewhere? I mean… I doubt that’s it, but it’s possible.

If this turns out to be the case, then all I have to say is