Spoilers How do you want Picard season 3 to end?
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I don't really want to see any of the main characters killed off.
I'd like them just to have a nice ending like the original cast did in Undiscovered Country.
I'd like them just to have a nice ending like the original cast did in Undiscovered Country.
Even if you considered Seven of Nine a name, wouldn't it be "Commander Nine"? Seven was always used like a first name in VOY.
Or is that too close to Nhan, making it a nhan issue.
Or is that too close to Nhan, making it a nhan issue.
At this point, the best we can hope for is an Indiana Jones 4 ending with Picard marrying Crusher and the implication he'll live as a family with Jack. Considering how controversial ending on that note was and how they went with the exact same cliche con-man rogue archetype used on Mutt Williams on Jack Crusher, yeah...
Hence my question.
Everyone on Voyager called her Seven vs one person calling her Cdr. Seven. They don't even know which part of the designation to use in that manner.
She didn’t have a rank in Voyager. She does now hence Cmdr Seven. I would imagine it will be something similar to Worf. He was referred to as Lt or Cmdr Worf by subordinates and by Worf by most higher ranked individuals.
Laris was shoved out of the show after like 5 minutes in the first episode. I think we're meant to forget she exists, and many people seem to have already done so because I have seen pretty much ZERO people really wondering how she's going to react to the news that Jean-Luc has a son he never knew about. I mean this IS going to impact things in SOME way.
Probably gonna be another "I freely admit that it makes no sense but go with it for the sake of the story because drama" thing in Matalas' book, just like Ed Speleers looking way too old to be a 22 year old and the whole nonsensical plot hole filled idea of giving Jean-Luc a son he never knew about in the first place. Idk, it's pretty obvious that Laris was shoved out of the picture to make room for Crusher. It wouldn't surprise me if they have him end up with Crusher AGAIN (for the what, sixth time then? Jesus... you could just put a BIOHAZARD sign on both their faces then, because that's the level of toxic this would be) and then simply give him a line like "I'm going to have to explain this to a certain someone who's waiting for me" and that's it.
I mean season 3 is one massive load of fan service and TNG nostalgia. From the point of that, Laris is - frankly speaking - in the way, and was so from the very beginning, or they wouldn't have written her out of the show like this. (I mean from a plot point of view it would have been extremely useful to take a former Tal Shiar agent with you on a mission where the theme is "trust no one". Right? Hoewever, her presence would have "spoiled" the whole Picard/Crusher fan service, hence why she was "politely written out", as a reviewer put it IIRC. I'm just wondering why they didn't ditch Orla Brady in the first place like all the others they ditched but maybe she had a slightly different and better contract that stated she had to appear in season 3 for a few minutes, who knows.)
Yeah, I wasn't talking about rank per se, just the designation/name differences for an XB.
And as far as we know, Klingons do not have last names (house of Martok, etc)
If that were true she wouldn't have been in the season at all.
Or because Terry wanted to connect it to the end of Season 2.
This is why I said in the season premiere's thread that I was pleasantly surprised we got how much we did with Laris there - I had feared even worse. It's a shame, but it is what it is.
(EDIT) I do agree with Tuskin that we're not necessarily supposed to 'forget she exists' outright, per se. But I broadly concur that Orla Brady was, unfortunately, destined to get sidelined.
Like I said, they "politely wrote her out". That doesn't rule out that we're meant to forget she exists. She is clearly not meant to be of any significance in this season, it's supposed to be all about Crusher and the son, and that's why she gets sidelined like this. The only reason why they didn't drop her outright is because she was so closely connected to Jean-Luc. If she had still been only his housekeeper they would have dropped her without a second thought.
Matalas has said that it is "a big regret" of his that he didn't get to spend more time with Laris. I got news for him - this WAS up to him. He's the showrunner. Bringing Laris along would have fit into the plot, and perfectly so. But I guess when you want to make your show all about fan servicing an old TNG pairing without caring about whether things make sense or not, you shove your "regrets" aside fairly quickly. So, I guess we can say Laris went from being a really cool and rightfully fan favorite side character in season 1 to nothing more than a "appears only at the beginning and at the end simply to drive the romance plot of the main character forward" plot device in season 2 to an almost forgotten "oh right he's got a girlfriend now, I think, umm, she went to some planet, what was her name again?" side note in season 3. Amazing character development right there. (Not.)
Don't get me wrong, I don't like Picard/Laris ANY more than I like Picard/Crusher, and the last thing I want is more of either pairing, but honestly, if you make a show about Jean-Luc and then alter his life significantly by giving him a girlfriend you gotta live up to this and put it to work, especially on a show that's as heavily serialized as PIC. But... I guess it was seen as more "dramatic" (and better fan service) to bring in the classic - terrible - soap opera trope of "ex girlfriend is back oh and she hid a kid from him".
Matalas has said that it is "a big regret" of his that he didn't get to spend more time with Laris. I got news for him - this WAS up to him. He's the showrunner. Bringing Laris along would have fit into the plot, and perfectly so. But I guess when you want to make your show all about fan servicing an old TNG pairing without caring about whether things make sense or not, you shove your "regrets" aside fairly quickly. So, I guess we can say Laris went from being a really cool and rightfully fan favorite side character in season 1 to nothing more than a "appears only at the beginning and at the end simply to drive the romance plot of the main character forward" plot device in season 2 to an almost forgotten "oh right he's got a girlfriend now, I think, umm, she went to some planet, what was her name again?" side note in season 3. Amazing character development right there. (Not.)
Don't get me wrong, I don't like Picard/Laris ANY more than I like Picard/Crusher, and the last thing I want is more of either pairing, but honestly, if you make a show about Jean-Luc and then alter his life significantly by giving him a girlfriend you gotta live up to this and put it to work, especially on a show that's as heavily serialized as PIC. But... I guess it was seen as more "dramatic" (and better fan service) to bring in the classic - terrible - soap opera trope of "ex girlfriend is back oh and she hid a kid from him".
Pretty sure Trek did that trope first.
1) Well
2) With everyone alive
3) In a way that makes some sort of coherent sense.
2) With everyone alive
3) In a way that makes some sort of coherent sense.
Not certain I want this, but I've got a feeling they're setting up Riker's death, and possibly Worf too.
My main concern is Seven surviving the series. If she doesn't survive to maintain the possibilty of a spinoff, I will be very unhappy.
My main concern is Seven surviving the series. If she doesn't survive to maintain the possibilty of a spinoff, I will be very unhappy.
Agreed 100%. It definitely feels like they’re moving towards having Riker sacrifice himself. Maybe Worf too. They are the ones it makes the most character-arc sense to do so. But I’d be seriously shocked if they killed off Seven. Shaw on the other hand. I still think the moment we start to really love the guy, he’s gonna get murdered.
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