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Early Review of Picard Season 3

I love these posts because they're both correct in their own ways. I'd say the ending of S1 falls into the "All the good parts coalesce... and then they don't finish the job."

Like if you're comitting 50+ ships after basically running an action movie for the past 9 hours I'm expecting a show down and shoot out.
Except, that's not what the story was about. It was about making peace, not violence. So, ending with a shoot out would cut against the grain of the story of the first season. As Elnor would say, "Choose to live."

Now, as for the success of it, well that will depend on the person. I just don't find it the abomination as others do.
 
Actually, what would have worked better is if Riker had his own distinct ship that looked different from the rest of the cut-and-paste fleet, just like Oh did. The fleet itself being made up of the same class isn't a huge deal, but it would have worked better visually had Riker's command ship been different. Then we would at least have known which ship he was on.

It also would have given weight to his ship being "the toughest, most powerful ship Starfleet has ever put into service".
 
Except where it did, the whole point of the Cali Class is its a joke as the idea of a hero ship. It's a badly designed, second line workhorse ship which putzes about basically handling the paperwork and box ticking which happens after the "real" hero ships do the exciting work, and it's all couched in terms to make the poor sods responsible for this work to feel a bit better about their titles and missions "Second Contact" etc.

"Our" Hero ship, the Cerritos is getting the ever loving snot beaten out of it by the Texas Class run by the evil on them, and at the moment of seeming defeat, here comes the entire class of silly ships (complete with their own colourschemes and spins on surface finish) with their own clearly and equally colourful and eccentric crews, many of which get a second or so of screen time, suggesting that it's also a place Starfleet dumps a lot of their misfits.

And then our silly, jokes of a hero ships step up to the plate and save the day between them.

1) It gets Jack Quaid to list 25 Californian Cities in lightening quick time seemingly in a single breath.

2) Subverts expectations by showing that even the jokes can have their own time in the sun and can do heroic acts when truly called on.

We've also had this whole class referenced and built up over some four seasons by this point, wondering if they're as disfunctional as the Cerritos or not.

It's very different from a sudden reappearance of Riker with 50 of the same ship as a Deus Plot Machina.
I don't thank you got my point, or I wasn't clear in making it. Nothing you state makes in universe sense. It fits thematically (and doe this beautifully), but doesn't make any sense in universe. It's not immersive to the universe.

Picard scene while nowhere even remotely as thematically powerful or connecting, does at least make some sense in universe. Ideally (meaning it rarely happens) I would like both.

LD attack happens, with almost no warning, ship flees, gets taken out of warp eventually and the ship is very quickly surrounding by numerous California class ships. For this to make in universe sense. They would need to know where they are going to come out of warp (they don't), and they would all need to be either centrally located, or located at equal distance from the point they come out of warp. And a reason no other class of ship is in similar range. And there is nothing in the story to indicate this...

Thats what I mean that it makes no rational in universe sense.

In Picard, Riker has lead up time. Thus he has time to gather at a central location a group of ships. They know the location they are going to. Thus a target. And the show has given us the reason why one type of vessel, both in brief dialogue and in the larger story background. Episodes mention Starfleet resources already stretched thin, by their spending so much time building an armada that gets destroyed, and make several references to losing one of their hubs for ship construction. This provides a reason that already deployed ships are not part of the response, and gives a logical reason why Starfleet uses one class of ship in this. When major hubs are removed, you typically focus on streamlining your line of products to make manufacturing as streamlined as possible (we only need to see how the Coronavirus has impacted whole sectors of production to see examples of this).

Thus Picard's scene in universe makes far more sense then Lower Decks (they do both fail at both fleets arriving in the nick of time).

Now all the show needed was part of the Captain's log mentioning being diverted from a major event that a host of California Class ships were providing aid or recovery in, that was happening nearby. A very easy fix. to give a rational reason why a mass of California ships would be in position to provide aid to the event that the Cerritos was in.
 
The TrekMovie review is written by (apparently) well known Star Trek critic, Mark A. Altman. I've never heard of him.

I don't know about his role as a critic, but he co-wrote a number of behind-the-scenes books including The Fifty Year Mission which has a stack of interviews.
 
Well not all reviews are good. Some are saying the lighting really stinks on the sets and is way to dark. Also the characters barely act like themselves. I really wish they would fire their lighting guy. It the worst I've ever seen on a TV show.
 
My only criteria for if it's good is if it's what I've wanted since 1994 -- when I was 15 years old -- and it's this: Is it a TNG Movie that feels like a TOS Movie? If the answer is "Yes", then I got what I wanted.

Forget about DS9, VOY, and ENT. Forget about DSC, PIC S1-S2, or SNW. They have zero impact on my criteria for this. They have zero impact on my enjoyment of this.
 
My only criteria for if it's good is if it's what I've wanted since 1994 -- when I was 15 years old -- and it's this: Is it a TNG Movie that feels like a TOS Movie? If the answer is "Yes", then I got what I wanted.

Forget about DS9, VOY, and ENT. Forget about DSC, PIC S1-S2, or SNW. They have zero impact on my criteria for this. They have zero impact on my enjoyment of this.
I would say yes
 
I've been looking around some other non-spoilers, and between hearing those... and hearing this....
I would say yes
... I feel good going into this.

So I'm going to try to stay away from here until Thursday and avoid looking at anything PIC-related until then. Put it out of sight, out of mind, until Wednesday -- which I have off from work -- then I'm watching all six TOS Movies followed by the season premiere of PIC overnight.

Actually, you know what, screw it, I'll avoid this place until the weekend after next Thursday. I want to enjoy it without hearing from the embittered about why I'm supposed to hate this. Hopefully it's great and hopefully the people who hate it really have to reach.
 
Doomcock's main argument is that PICARD season 3 being a success will only further entrench Kurtzman's stranglehold on the franchise, and that said success would accrue to him, not Terry Matalas. Others in the opposition fan community argue that Kurtzman is entrenched for 3, 5, even 7 years or more, and can't be waited out -- and even if Kurtzman was out, there's no guarantee his replacement would be any better. Instead, if reasonably good and successful Star Trek can be produced under these conditions, we're likely to get more of that type.

I get the argument. I watched enough of his vids and read enough of his Twitter feed to know.

But this need to bring him up…he’s dropped a new vid on his YT channel on his thoughts on PIC S3. After spending at least two months ignoring Star Trek on his YT channel altogether. Predictably, he says the season's a disaster, because some review conforms with his viewpoint.

So, I hope all the Doomcook detectors that wouldn’t shut up about him are happy now.
 
Well not all reviews are good. Some are saying the lighting really stinks on the sets and is way to dark.

Yes, the lighting in PIC has always sucked. They chose to emulate the look of the TNG films mixed with the look of DSC seasons 1 & 2, and it shows. I guess this is what's supposed to differentiate a 25th century show from a 23rd century show.

Also the characters barely act like themselves.

Since you actually haven't seen the show yet, I would reserve judgment about that. Especially since I haven't heard of any reviews at all where anyone says this. Care to post a link where someone did?
 
It’s like people forget how much of a dick Picard was in S1 and alot of S2.

and how even after his experience with the Borg, he was perfectly willing to let an entire population of a planet die a terrible death if it meant protecting the Prime Directive.

rose colored glasses man…
 
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Yes, the lighting in PIC has always sucked. They chose to emulate the look of the TNG films mixed with the look of DSC seasons 1 & 2, and it shows. I guess this is what's supposed to differentiate a 25th century show from a 23rd century show.



Since you actually haven't seen the show yet, I would reserve judgment about that. Especially since I haven't heard of any reviews at all where anyone says this. Care to post a link where someone did?
Its a trend which I can't stand, Hollywood loves being 2nd and not 1st; whatever the trend is because of a popular show or movie another production apes it. NuTrek dived right in with the darkness neglecting the spirit of what Star Trek is or maybe I should be saying was.
 
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