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Early Review of Picard Season 3

I think it doesn't matter how big a cast is and whether or not you can remember their names or even how developed they are in the sense the writer are trying to give them depth. It comes down to how interesting the characters are you choose to explore. Quantum Leap had two characters. So did X-Files for the most part though like a hand full of recurring and they were better than some shows that have like 10 people.

I admire Discovery's attempt to try and have characters that are more than just extras filling up the bridge crew. TOS basically did this with characters like Uhura, Sulu, Chekov,Rand and even Scotty as I think we all know the show is really just about KIrk/Spock/Bones.

None of that matters though if the characters aren't interesting or well written. I know more about Detmer than I do many old crew characters whose only lines amounted to yes sir, no sir. Sir we are detecting the thing with our sensors and so forth. It still doesn't make the show good.

The show isn't good because Burnham was never really made all that compelling. The stuff with the crying, melodramatic speeches and characters talking about how amazing she is was done badly enough it became something used for parody. Stamets is great but he often has nothing to do. Same with Suru.

Lorca went from deep Anti-hero type to cartoon baddie on a dime. Burnhams boyfriends have backgrounds that sound more interesting than they were actually depicted. Tilly was great. Made the silly mistake though of giving her arc that is exactly like your series lead.

Having her on command track makes no sense when you know Burnham is suppose to be on a path like that to becoming the Captain of the ship. Hell they could have made her Chief Engineer and fill that job spot that they have just ignored on the show for some reason.

The big issue though is everyone in the cast codes as modern day liberal. When in reality that is not good for drama. For show to work you need internal conflict within the cast to create drama. You create conflict by having characters who have opposing opinions and then those two clashing against each other.

On Quantum Leap you have Sam who is big boy scout who grew up on a farm but Al loves the ladies and having fun and was raised in a orphanage and went to Vietnam. Or go to classic TOS.
KIrk is the classic hero, Spock the brain who sees the world less through emotion but through being rational and Bones the country doctor with old school values and believes in people and sees the humanity in everything and isn't big into fancy modern tech.

People can relate to Spock and Bones basically trying to get each other goats by teasing each other in ways they know will annoy the other. Like brothers. All the conflict that is sometimes banter but also sometimes real disagreements helped make them feel like a family because families fight with each other sometimes even when they also love each other.

Discovery has always been missing this kind of dynamic thus creating a kind of sameness to every character and unlike TNG which relied heavily on bringing in interesting guest star characters to basically create conflict they have simply not done this because the show thinks it's characters are deeper than they are. To wrapped up in world ending story arcs which we don't really care about because we know their world is not going to end.
 
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I think she's compelling.

I know some like her. Many don't though. Everything is of course subjective. I think in general I think the overall view of the character is a kind of even mix of dislike/like and sort of neutral non-opinion of the character. I think if you asked many people SMG would still be known more for her time on Walking Dead than Trek.
 
Some more info about the reviews due tomorrow... they aren't supposed to reveal specific details of each episode, just have a general overview.

And apparently episode 6 has an insane cliffhanger, so that's why it was chosen as the cut off point :)
 
Some more info about the reviews due tomorrow... they aren't supposed to reveal specific details of each episode, just have a general overview.

And apparently episode 6 has an insane cliffhanger, so that's why it was chosen as the cut off point :)

General overview reviews worry.

But I'll still give it a shot come next Friday for me.
 
Some Doomcock vs RMB-gate news. Two PICARD staff writers have commented on Twitter about it...

The expression about lying down with dogs and getting fleas comes to mind.

It continues to astonish me that Matalas and co have adopted the marketing strategy of "Hey, these people who hate all modern Star Trek and have actively fostered toxicity in the fanbase like this season". It's really turning me off S3.
 
The expression about lying down with dogs and getting fleas comes to mind.

It continues to astonish me that Matalas and co have adopted the marketing strategy of "Hey, these people who hate all modern Star Trek and have actively fostered toxicity in the fanbase like this season". It's really turning me off S3.

Its shocking that they are preoccupied with him at all. You’d think that if S3 was really good as its been hyped to be, they’d ignore him and let the work speak for itself.

All this does is show that Doomcock’s claims and reasonings to not watch S3 have merit behind them.
 
Dave Cullen who has been a vocal critic of DISCO and Picard S1 and S2 has lots of good things to say about his screener of the first 6 eps of S3.

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S3 is getting very positive reviews so far. It seems to be converting the people who hated S1 and S2.
 
The expression about lying down with dogs and getting fleas comes to mind.

It continues to astonish me that Matalas and co have adopted the marketing strategy of "Hey, these people who hate all modern Star Trek and have actively fostered toxicity in the fanbase like this season". It's really turning me off S3.
Same. This wooing of the negative base feels too reactionary and not organic to a story. It's my biggest frustration with current Trek producers strategy.
 
The expression about lying down with dogs and getting fleas comes to mind.

It continues to astonish me that Matalas and co have adopted the marketing strategy of "Hey, these people who hate all modern Star Trek and have actively fostered toxicity in the fanbase like this season". It's really turning me off S3.
To be fair, as a legacy Star Trek fan, I would argue DISCOVERY is structurally toxic and deserves around 80% of the negative reviews that it gets. PICARD season 1 was full of poison pills, and having only finally watched that season last month, I can say that about 90% of the negatively I remember it receiving three years ago was justified. PICARD season 2 only maybe deserves half the negativity it gets, and LOWER DECKS say 1/3rd.

As someone that doesn't like DISCOVERY, I'm hoping we can both like PICARD season 3. But, if that is too much to ask, and if the fanbase is so bifurcated, why not have a series that targets legacy, especially Berman era, fans?

Its shocking that they are preoccupied with him at all. You’d think that if S3 was really good as its been hyped to be, they’d ignore him and let the work speak for itself.

All this does is show that Doomcock’s claims and reasonings to not watch S3 have merit behind them.
Doomcock's main argument is that PICARD season 3 being a success will only further entrench Kurtzman's stranglehold on the franchise, and that said success would accrue to him, not Terry Matalas. Others in the opposition fan community argue that Kurtzman is entrenched for 3, 5, even 7 years or more, and can't be waited out -- and even if Kurtzman was out, there's no guarantee his replacement would be any better. Instead, if reasonably good and successful Star Trek can be produced under these conditions, we're likely to get more of that type.

Dave Cullen who has been a vocal critic of DISCO and Picard S1 and S2 has lots of good things to say about his screener of the first 6 eps of S3.
Only real negative points being a improvised F-bomb and how Raffi is set up. Good news!
 
Doomcock's main argument is that PICARD season 3 being a success will only further entrench Kurtzman's stranglehold on the franchise, and that said success would accrue to him, not Terry Matalas. Others in the opposition fan community argue that Kurtzman is entrenched for 3, 5, even 7 years or more, and can't be waited out -- and even if Kurtzman was out, there's no guarantee his replacement would be any better. Instead, if reasonably good and successful Star Trek can be produced under these conditions, we're likely to get more of that type.

Matalas is the sole showrunner for S3. So if S3 is a glowing success, I think it makes more sense that Matalas would get the credit, not Kurtzman. So I think Doomcock is wrong to assume that S3 success will just entrench Kurtzman even more. If anything, it could have the opposite effect. If S3 is a success, it might convince people that Kurtzman is the problem and even cause people to want Matalas to replace Kurtzman.

And all reviews seem to indicate S3 is great. Who cares if Kurtzman gets the credit! Should we not do good Trek because we are worried it might help Kurtzman, that makes no sense to me. I just want good Trek. If making Matalas showrunner for S3 gives us good Trek, that's a win in my book.
 
To be fair, as a legacy Star Trek fan, I would argue DISCOVERY is structurally toxic and deserves around 80% of the negative reviews that it gets.
So what? When it was the only show on maybe that was a good point. It isn't any more. Star Trek has more variety out there than ever before, even during the Berman era, which was largely designed for sameness. So, why keep harping on about Discovery and just let people who enjoy it like it? Lower Decks is designed for "legacy" fans (I don't know what that means in this context) and Strange New Worlds is designed in a similar vein.

Variety is the spice of life not sameness.
 
The complaints about DSC basically boil down to it's not structured like Berman Trek. It wasn't meant to be. It's the same as complaining about how Alien 3 isn't like Aliens. Anyone who's about to reply with "Yeah, but... " save me the essay. i don't care.

As far as PIC Season 3, I'm glad to see David Cullen likes it. He's one of the people who was going to write it off as "too little, too late" and it seems as if he's done a 180. Because he watched it and gave it a chance.

To be fair, as a legacy Star Trek fan
I'm 43 and have been a fan for 32 years. By definition, that makes me a "Legacy Star Trek Fan".
 
Too liberal for some conservatives and too conservative for most liberals ;)


I think DSC has become the proverbial punching bag for and represents all that is disliked about Newer Trek, whether accurate or not.

STD had some good characters but the heavy handed stories have made it a bore. Alsopst of the Bridge crew are largely window dressing and honestly not interesting at all. Suli, Chekov and Uhura got more interesting things to do I'm TOS then the bridge crew in STD. Also the excessive lump in their throats over emotion, complimenting and crying is getting over the top. It diesnt feel like star trek ir at least very good trek. The Orville feels morelike Trek than STD. Same with StP.
 
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