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Early Review of Picard Season 3

I don't disagree. It's a constant everywhere.

Though I think this is in part due to they want reviews from Star Trek Fans and not reviews from people who've only ever seen bits and pieces of it. Even though regular reviewers are probably perfect for this because the only Star Trek they've probably ever seen are TOS, TNG, and the Movies.

Then they should have put it on Paramount Plus already. Put the whole season on at once if they want reviews from fans. Are they doing this for ratings? Are they worried people aren't going to watch? It's a streaming service and the show is put on around 11:15 Wednesday Night Pacific time anyway. If they are afraid about Review Bombing, it's going to happen eventually. If you want fans to see it, then everyone should see it, not just the special people who have connections and probably telephone numbers of all the actors.
 
They're not going to drop it all at once, they'd lose money from people having to resub.

Also not everyone who got the 6 episodes are Star Trek fans. They were just given to news/media outlets in general. Now the people at those outlets may have given them to reviewers that work there who do like Star Trek.
 
They're not going to drop it all at once, they'd lose money from people having to resub.

Also not everyone who got the 6 episodes are Star Trek fans. They were just given to news/media outlets in general. Now the people at those outlets may have given them to reviewers that work there who do like Star Trek.

I admitted that the Media do get advanced screenings because they are literally paid to do reviews. I'm just saying those reviews should all come out next Wednesday. My issue is these "Premiere" events and people now all posting on facebook or twitter acting all entitled. Also, are "Youtube Content Creators" now media? They also shouldn't have access to the advanced screenings and their content should be created after everyone has a chance to see it post official premiere date.
 
Then they should have put it on Paramount Plus already. Put the whole season on at once if they want reviews from fans. Are they doing this for ratings? Are they worried people aren't going to watch? It's a streaming service and the show is put on around 11:15 Wednesday Night Pacific time anyway. If they are afraid about Review Bombing, it's going to happen eventually. If you want fans to see it, then everyone should see it, not just the special people who have connections and probably telephone numbers of all the actors.
I do think they think there are people who wouldn't watch otherwise. People who don't watch Streaming Trek in general and people who do but were burned by DSC and the first two seasons of PIC.

The Kelvin Films being in limbo also allows them to do things they couldn't have done if those films were still on the map. SNW is a different take on updating TOS, but still too close to covering the same ground. PIC Season 3 is a long TNG Film, which would look like competition with the Kelvin Films.

So I think things like SNW and PIC Season 3 are what they would've started off with if they could've, and now they're trying to get those people who aren't watching back with these endorsements.

All only my theory.
 
That's a good point, and an illustration of what was wrong with the Picard S1 finale. Season 1 had its moments, with ups and downs, but as a whole the story was quite compelling till the finale failed to make good use of elements established earlier (the ex-Borg and their cube, the Romulan spy with a conscience), pulled out weird stunts like the magical repair device, the space defence flowers and double copy/paste fleets (while a fleet wasn't needed at all, just put a couple of ships on both sides) and especially, as you note, had utterly baffling behaviour of the Soji character (but also the reactions toward her later, which ignored her apparent attempt at galaxy-wide genocide).

Arguably, the finale proved Oh right about the Androids being a major threat. It's like the writers only cared about Picard and Data, and nothing else.
The end of the show isn't its weakest point for me (thats the awful Stardust city I hated the episode, the only positive in it was how they handled the early death to really hit home the impact to 7), but its such a mix bag, and that really matters more for a finale. A lot of it, like most of the finales of Discovery is that the rush to end the story, when the rest of the season is much better paced.

One thing I do want to state (well I guess it's actually now 2). The copy and past fleet. It actually makes far more sense here, than what happened in Lower Decks. And people seemed to love the copy and paste fleet in Lower Decks. Which, while giving an uplifting moment to the show, literally makes no rational sense for in universe storytelling, anyone who watching should literally be taken out of the episode, as it makes no rational sense at all. While for Picard, they gave an in story reason. So only fans of previous Trek should be disappointed, because of expectations, not due to an in universe story aspect (of course the episode gave us as pointed out a few of those in the episode on other things...).
 
I kind of feel like all the "special star trek fans" have seen Season 3 already and next week it will premiere for the little people. For a franchise that prides itself on inclusion and the like, I can't help but feel really excluded while all the "Content Creators" get privileges. I guess it's who you know and how you network.

I know they did the same for Picard season 2 and some Discovery premieres. In some cases the fans that get the screeners aren't even content creators or reviewers but just tweet about star trek a lot. So hey if you want early access tweet about how great star trek is all the time and you'll have your shot LOL
 
And people seemed to love the copy and paste fleet in Lower Decks. Which, while giving an uplifting moment to the show, literally makes no rational sense for in universe storytelling, anyone who watching should literally be taken out of the episode, as it makes no rational sense at all.

Except where it did, the whole point of the Cali Class is its a joke as the idea of a hero ship. It's a badly designed, second line workhorse ship which putzes about basically handling the paperwork and box ticking which happens after the "real" hero ships do the exciting work, and it's all couched in terms to make the poor sods responsible for this work to feel a bit better about their titles and missions "Second Contact" etc.

"Our" Hero ship, the Cerritos is getting the ever loving snot beaten out of it by the Texas Class run by the evil on them, and at the moment of seeming defeat, here comes the entire class of silly ships (complete with their own colourschemes and spins on surface finish) with their own clearly and equally colourful and eccentric crews, many of which get a second or so of screen time, suggesting that it's also a place Starfleet dumps a lot of their misfits.

And then our silly, jokes of a hero ships step up to the plate and save the day between them.

1) It gets Jack Quaid to list 25 Californian Cities in lightening quick time seemingly in a single breath.

2) Subverts expectations by showing that even the jokes can have their own time in the sun and can do heroic acts when truly called on.

We've also had this whole class referenced and built up over some four seasons by this point, wondering if they're as disfunctional as the Cerritos or not.

It's very different from a sudden reappearance of Riker with 50 of the same ship as a Deus Plot Machina.
 
This is probably the wrong thread for this but how? What the hell does it do but the same thing that TMP did? Here's one perspective on the 23rd Century and then here's another. Boom, problem solved. It is not literal history. It doesn't step on canon, it does not step on lore. It offers a different view, and can just as easily be put in an alternate timeline as TMP so what harm is done?
The thing though is in-universe verisimilitude depends on it all being one history. TOS to TMP makes sense in universe. Awkward recasting aside almost everything 1966-2005 fits together. Then you have all the reference books, attempts behind the scenes to keep everything consistent... and Star Trek is the top franchise of nitpicking and canon violation trackers. In a franchise that depends on call backs, you need to know what actually happened in the past that could inform the current plot. Say, TOS and TNG link together. If PICARD links to TNG, then it also has to link to TOS. But if PICARD breaks continuity with TOS, then does it take place in the same continuity as TNG? At least it sounds like PICARD season 3 will have direct call back to TOS, so it'll hopefully be a moot point in this case.

Too much emphasis is put on lore and not enough is put on entertainment. Did you enjoy it? No, then move on. Sticking around because "Star Trek" is nonsense. Which brings me to my larger point of Season 3. Instead of actually trying to make Picard a distinct installment in the franchise, it looks back and says "No, we promise we will not offend you any more. We are scaling back all the scary changes to your these imaginary characters and you will not feel threatened by it any more. The bad man has gone away!*"
Haha, well this is why I bailed on DISCOVERY and am very much looking forward to PICARD season 3! If changes to characters make sense in-universe, great. But not because some cheap plot stunt was easier to do with it... which season 1 frequently fell into the trap of doing.

They're not going to drop it all at once, they'd lose money from people having to resub.

Also not everyone who got the 6 episodes are Star Trek fans. They were just given to news/media outlets in general. Now the people at those outlets may have given them to reviewers that work there who do like Star Trek.
Apparently there will be a free month of Paramount+ with promo code "PICARD" or some such offer to be announced. Time it right, and you can get the whole season for free if you wait a bit. Like I did with PICARD season 2.
 
The end of the show isn't its weakest point for me (thats the awful Stardust city I hated the episode, the only positive in it was how they handled the early death to really hit home the impact to 7), but its such a mix bag, and that really matters more for a finale. A lot of it, like most of the finales of Discovery is that the rush to end the story, when the rest of the season is much better paced.

One thing I do want to state (well I guess it's actually now 2). The copy and past fleet. It actually makes far more sense here, than what happened in Lower Decks. And people seemed to love the copy and paste fleet in Lower Decks. Which, while giving an uplifting moment to the show, literally makes no rational sense for in universe storytelling, anyone who watching should literally be taken out of the episode, as it makes no rational sense at all. While for Picard, they gave an in story reason. So only fans of previous Trek should be disappointed, because of expectations, not due to an in universe story aspect (of course the episode gave us as pointed out a few of those in the episode on other things...).

I do think Stardust City Rag was overall the worst episode of Season 1. The Season 1 finale was basically only saved by virtue of the scene of Data's "death," as otherwise it would have been as mediocre as the penultimate episode (which really felt like a bad TNG episode, right down to Goldsman's shitty direction, which finally made the Artifact look like a set on a sound stage).

Season 2 tried to pull the same trick again, with the death scene with Q trying to rectify the mediocre resolution of the season as a whole, but it was an inferior expy.
 
The thing though is in-universe verisimilitude depends on it all being one history.
Yes...and? Nothing thus far makes me go "This is a different universe!" any worse than TMP. And, I'm sorry, TMP doesn't work for me as the same universe like it does for others. But, it is assumed to be so so I take the word of the producers over it.

Haha, well this is why I bailed on DISCOVERY and am very much looking forward to PICARD season 3! If changes to characters make sense in-universe, great. But not because some cheap plot stunt was easier to do with it... which season 1 frequently fell into the trap of doing.
Mileage will vary. I expect many who are expecting Season 3 to feel like TNG will be in for disappointment.
It's very different from a sudden reappearance of Riker with 50 of the same ship as a Deus Plot Machina.
Man, I just don't see how.
 
There's quite literally a whole post explaining how.
I'll rephrase. Your explanation is wonderful in so far as I appreciate your point of view. Your explanation also matters little when I watched the show. My reaction was darn close to the same. I was excited for Riker and the fleet to show up and thought it looked bad ass. I was excited to see the California fleet show up and loved the naming convention.

The how still feels the same to me.
 
It continues to astonish me that Matalas and co have adopted the marketing strategy of "Hey, these people who hate all modern Star Trek and have actively fostered toxicity in the fanbase like this season". It's really turning me off S3.
S3 should be judged by watching it, not by marketing strategy or by who likes or dislikes it (unless it is clear that people who you can reasonably assume to have similar tastes as you all seem to dislike it, maybe).

As for why they would want to pull in (some) alienated parts of the fanbase: they want to get more viewers/paying customers. If they indeed made S3 quite dissimilar from earlier seasons (and also from Discovery and even SNW), they do need to get that point across to people who could well enjoy the new season but who otherwise would not even give it a chance.

The end of the show isn't its weakest point for me (thats the awful Stardust city I hated the episode, the only positive in it was how they handled the early death to really hit home the impact to 7), but its such a mix bag, and that really matters more for a finale. A lot of it, like most of the finales of Discovery is that the rush to end the story, when the rest of the season is much better paced.

One thing I do want to state (well I guess it's actually now 2). The copy and past fleet. It actually makes far more sense here, than what happened in Lower Decks. And people seemed to love the copy and paste fleet in Lower Decks. Which, while giving an uplifting moment to the show, literally makes no rational sense for in universe storytelling, anyone who watching should literally be taken out of the episode, as it makes no rational sense at all. While for Picard, they gave an in story reason. So only fans of previous Trek should be disappointed, because of expectations, not due to an in universe story aspect (of course the episode gave us as pointed out a few of those in the episode on other things...).
I agree that the Stardust episode was the weakest of the entire season, and I also disliked the charicature they made of the Romulans (especially with the warrior nuns and their protégé, running around as if he was part of Lord of the Rings).

However, my big beef with the copy/paste fleets is that it wasn't needed at all. Give Oh just one vessel (maybe after battle with the defences, space flower thingies...) that clearly outmatches La Sirena and let Riker come in on one vessel, that happens to outmatch hers. It doesn't need to be the entire "Combined Fleet" vs everything in the Pacific Fleet à la Midway. Since Oh is a clandestine operator, she wouldn't necessarily be able to call upon all Romulan forces and Riker likewise may have been able to just get one vessel at his disposal.

As for Lower Decks, it's a comedy that doesn't take itself seriously. The scene with all the Callies was poetic: the obsolete, second rank vessels that are in the process of being phased out beat the thing that is supposed to replace them, and that by working together. And that they are supposedly in the process of being recalled for decommissioning even gives them a (paper thin, OK) excuse to have them all in one place. But it's a comedy and it was a cathartic scene, so I don't mind.

Whereas in Picard S1, just one potent Romulan vessel and just one even more potent Starfleet battlecruiser (sorry - "explorer with some mild self-defense potential") would have largely sufficed to serve all the plot points needed. Still more than enough to overpower La Sirena and level the Android village.
 
However, my big beef with the copy/paste fleets is that it wasn't needed at all. Give Oh just one vessel (maybe after battle with the defences, space flower thingies...) that clearly outmatches La Sirena and let Riker come in on one vessel, that happens to outmatch hers. It doesn't need to be the entire "Combined Fleet" vs everything in the Pacific Fleet à la Midway. Since Oh is a clandestine operator, she wouldn't necessarily be able to call upon all Romulan forces and Riker likewise may have been able to just get one vessel at his disposal.

Actually, what would have worked better is if Riker had his own distinct ship that looked different from the rest of the cut-and-paste fleet, just like Oh did. The fleet itself being made up of the same class isn't a huge deal, but it would have worked better visually had Riker's command ship been different. Then we would at least have known which ship he was on.
 
Whereas in Picard S1, just one potent Romulan vessel and just one even more potent Starfleet battlecruiser (sorry - "explorer with some mild self-defense potential") would have largely sufficed to serve all the plot points needed. Still more than enough to overpower La Sirena and level the Android village.
Here's my take and I know, I know, it's probably controversial to dare to like the ending of Picard (what else is new). The Starfleet response fleet makes sense after facing the devastation on Mars. The irony in the Romulan fleet is the simple fact that the Zhat Vash prioritized their own paranoid beliefs over the safety of their people. To me, the point made at the end is that Starfleet rebuilt and prioritized the ability to respond. The Romulans had the ships and didn't help their own people.
 
Whereas in Picard S1, just one potent Romulan vessel and just one even more potent Starfleet battlecruiser (sorry - "explorer with some mild self-defense potential") would have largely sufficed to serve all the plot points needed. Still more than enough to overpower La Sirena and level the Android village.

Here's my take and I know, I know, it's probably controversial to dare to like the ending of Picard (what else is new). The Starfleet response fleet makes sense after facing the devastation on Mars. The irony in the Romulan fleet is the simple fact that the Zhat Vash prioritized their own paranoid beliefs over the safety of their people. To me, the point made at the end is that Starfleet rebuilt and prioritized the ability to respond. The Romulans had the ships and didn't help their own people.

I love these posts because they're both correct in their own ways. I'd say the ending of S1 falls into the "All the good parts coalesce... and then they don't finish the job."

Like if you're comitting 50+ ships after basically running an action movie for the past 9 hours I'm expecting a show down and shoot out.
 
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