Early Review of Picard Season 3

[fireproof78]

STD had some good characters but the heavy handed stories have made it a bore. Alsopst of the Bridge crew are largely window dressing and honestly not interesting at all. Suli, Chekov and Uhura got more interesting things to do I'm TOS then the bridge crew in STD. Also the excessive lump in their throats over emotion, complimenting and crying is getting over the top. It diesnt feel like star trek ir at least very good trek. The Orville feels morelike Trek than STD. Same with StP.

Mileage will vary. I found DSC way more engaging with the characters than the Orville. Isn't it beautiful to have that variety!

 

[TRON JA307020]

Mileage will vary. I found DSC way more engaging with the characters than the Orville. Isn't it beautiful to have that variety!

Have you watched all of The Orville?

 

[fireproof78]

Have you watched all of The Orville?

Gave up after Season 2. Captain isn't interesting, conflict is forced, and the humor grates very hard on me. Calling it "like Trek" feels like a surface level way of trying to sell it on me rather than let it stand by itself. Season 1 was well done, mostly, but it didn't leave me with any draw to see the characters. I don't care one wit about the crew of the Orville.

 

[Dukhat]

Alsopst of the Bridge crew are largely window dressing and honestly not interesting at all. Suli, Chekov and Uhura got more interesting things to do I'm TOS then the bridge crew in STD.

To be fair, you can't do a lot of character development for minor characters when the seasons are only ten episodes long. And I doubt there was any intention to develop them other than being glorified background extras.

 

[James Cole]

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Mixes TNG with the feel of the TOS films (especially Nick Meyer nautical vibe)... Terry Matalas knows Star Trek history but is able to bring it into a modern sensibility... Captures joy and wonder of exploration... All "fan service" type moments are earned... Other nods to VGR beyond Seven, won't leave DS9 fans disappointed... there are a few plot developments that make you think they're jumping the shark, but sell them...

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

The complaints about DSC basically boil down to it's not structured like Berman Trek. It wasn't meant to be. It's the same as complaining about how Alien 3 isn't like Aliens. Anyone who's about to reply with "Yeah, but... " save me the essay. i don't care.

No not always. I think it's plots are poorly written and a bit all over the place early on and then a bit boring and samey later. A bit like the mistakes DS9 made with the MU and Voyager with the Borg they got too deep into the MU and S31 which become silly under a microscope.

I think the CGI is a bit overdone (a mistake that should have been learned from JJ)

I think it is too small universe (a mistake that should have been learned from all Trek)

I think it has poor art direction.

I think it is too desperate to try placate people with Easter eggs.

 

[Tuskin38]

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"This season is not going to leave DS9 fans disappointed" hmm

 

[RuleofAcuisition17]

"This season is not going to leave DS9 fans disappointed" hmm

Give me Armin Shimmerman or give me death!

 

[fireproof78]

No not always. I think it's plots are poorly written and a bit all over the place early on and then a bit boring and samey later. A bit like the mistakes DS9 made with the MU and Voyager with the Borg they got too deep into the MU and S31 which become silly under a microscope.

I think the CGI is a bit overdone (a mistake that should have been learned from JJ)

I think it is too small universe (a mistake that should have been learned from all Trek)

I think it has poor art direction.

I think it is too desperate to try placate people with Easter eggs.

That's reasonable, save for when they should learn mistakes. Trek doesn't learn from it's past.

 

[Lord Garth]

No not always. I think it's plots are poorly written and a bit all over the place early on and then a bit boring and samey later. A bit like the mistakes DS9 made with the MU and Voyager with the Borg they got too deep into the MU and S31 which become silly under a microscope.

I think the CGI is a bit overdone (a mistake that should have been learned from JJ)

I think it is too small universe (a mistake that should have been learned from all Trek)

I think it has poor art direction.

I think it is too desperate to try placate people with Easter eggs.

Thanks for not giving me an essay.

 

[James Cole]

That's what Lower Decks is.

To an extent, yes. But it does do postmodernist deconstruction, doesn't make sense in universe, Mariner is a toxic character to start, the comedy isn't like Berman era comedy, and is more parody. There are things Berman era fans can appreciate, but also get really pissed off by.

And all reviews seem to indicate S3 is great. Who cares if Kurtzman gets the credit! Should we not do good Trek because we are worried it might help Kurtzman, that makes no sense to me. I just want good Trek. If making Matalas showrunner for S3 gives us good Trek, that's a win in my book.

Popcast will have an in depth video about this coming Sunday apparently, stay tuned.

So what? When it was the only show on maybe that was a good point. It isn't any more. Star Trek has more variety out there than ever before, even during the Berman era, which was largely designed for sameness. So, why keep harping on about Discovery and just let people who enjoy it like it? Lower Decks is designed for "legacy" fans (I don't know what that means in this context) and Strange New Worlds is designed in a similar vein.

Several points... Most of the estranged members of the fanbase probably held on far too long in trying to give DISCOVERY a chance to right the ship, but instead were further burned and built up a lot of negative energy in the process. One of the main challenges with promoting an ostensibly good PICARD season 3 is getting this group to even give NuTrek another chance.

Another thing, to beat a dead horse, DISCOVERY does not stay in its lane. At the very least, it messes with a lot of TOS, if not overwriting it. It calls into question all of the 1966-2005 visual continuity. If it wants to do its own thing, more power to it. But go the multiverse route so it doesn't step all over the legacy Star Trek canon/lore I care about.

Also the excessive lump in their throats over emotion, complimenting and crying is getting over the top. It diesnt feel like star trek ir at least very good trek.

I just write out DISCOVERY in all caps film board style to be safe...

 

[fireproof78]

Another thing, to beat a dead horse, DISCOVERY does not stay in its lane. At the very least, it messes with a lot of TOS, if not overwriting it. It calls into question all of the 1966-2005 visual continuity. If it wants to do its own thing, more power to it. But go the multiverse route so it doesn't step all over the legacy Star Trek canon/lore I care about.

This is probably the wrong thread for this but how? What the hell does it do but the same thing that TMP did? Here's one perspective on the 23rd Century and then here's another. Boom, problem solved. It is not literal history. It doesn't step on canon, it does not step on lore. It offers a different view, and can just as easily be put in an alternate timeline as TMP so what harm is done?

Too much emphasis is put on lore and not enough is put on entertainment. Did you enjoy it? No, then move on. Sticking around because "Star Trek" is nonsense. Which brings me to my larger point of Season 3. Instead of actually trying to make Picard a distinct installment in the franchise, it looks back and says "No, we promise we will not offend you any more. We are scaling back all the scary changes to your these imaginary characters and you will not feel threatened by it any more. The bad man has gone away!*"

*tongue partially in cheek.

 

[James Cole]

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The Popcast (who have seen all ten episodes) non-spoiler review live stream in progress

 

[plynch]

I jumped from page two to here, but I must say I am glad I have no idea who any of these people are.

 

[fireproof78]

I jumped from page two to here, but I must say I am glad I have no idea who any of these people are.

It's for the best. I'm glad I use YT for Fallout gaming and Generation Tech and that's it. The rest of this is...not my cup of Earl Grey, to be polite.

 

[tomalak301]

I kind of feel like all the "special star trek fans" have seen Season 3 already and next week it will premiere for the little people. For a franchise that prides itself on inclusion and the like, I can't help but feel really excluded while all the "Content Creators" get privileges. I guess it's who you know and how you network.

 

[fireproof78]

I kind of feel like all the "special star trek fans" have seen Season 3 already and next week it will premiere for the little people. For a franchise that prides itself on inclusion and the like, I can't help but feel really excluded while all the "Content Creators" get privileges. I guess it's who you know and how you network.

Same. And somehow this is supposed to excite me.

Spoiler alert: It doesn't.

 

[tomalak301]

Same. And somehow this is supposed to excite me.

Spoiler alert: It doesn't.

I get it's the media and they need to post reviews, but these reviews should all come out on Thursday and no earlier. You want to do in depth analysis, do it next weekend. This weekend is the Super Bowl and the new Star Trek "supposedly" hasn't aired yet officially. I just see all these people (usually the same people, and I see them at conventions they are all part of clubs or away teams or what have you) get invited to these premiere events, and it's like the show doesn't air until next week. You want to do a premiere event, do it Tuesday. I just think when it comes to Star Trek, these "Events" are starting to get out of hand because it's no longer special that everyone at the same time will have an opportunity to see the next episode. Yes this is jealousy talking but it's also someone who is starting to see the entitlement and is becoming really turned off by the whole thing.

 

[Lord Garth]

I kind of feel like all the "special star trek fans" have seen Season 3 already and next week it will premiere for the little people. For a franchise that prides itself on inclusion and the like, I can't help but feel really excluded while all the "Content Creators" get privileges. I guess it's who you know and how you network.

I don't disagree. It's a constant everywhere.

Though I think this is in part due to they want reviews from Star Trek Fans and not reviews from people who've only ever seen bits and pieces of it. Even though regular reviewers are probably perfect for this because the only Star Trek they've probably ever seen -- if they've seen any -- are TOS, TNG, and the Movies.

 

[fireproof78]

I get it's the media and they need to post reviews, but these reviews should all come out on Thursday and no earlier. You want to do in depth analysis, do it next weekend. This weekend is the Super Bowl and the new Star Trek "supposedly" hasn't aired yet officially. I just see all these people (usually the same people, and I see them at conventions they are all part of clubs or away teams or what have you) get invited to these premiere events, and it's like the show doesn't air until next week. You want to do a premiere event, do it Tuesday. I just think when it comes to Star Trek, these "Events" are starting to get out of hand because it's no longer special that everyone at the same time will have an opportunity to see the next episode. Yes this is jealousy talking but it's also someone who is starting to see the entitlement and is becoming really turned off by the whole thing.

Completely agree. It's not warm, it's not welcoming and it's not inviting at all to join in the collective and participate. It's just...outside looking in...like R2D2 on Dagobah.