What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Tallguy]

The DE trashes the soundtrack. Possibly the coolest universal translator segment in the entire franchise is the synthetic voice reading of "INTRUDER UNIDENTIFIED...." It's absence is glaring. And the replacement red alert alarm klaxon is lame. Generally speaking, a soundtrack hanging together and jibing with the rest of the film is really very important. The original soundtrack did that better than the replacement. It was a remarkable achievement for the DE to take an imperfect soundtrack and make it substantially worse.

That was my main complaint about the 2001 DE. You could hear what they wanted to do and the reasons for it were correct. But they were clearly limited by time and available sound libraries / technology. It sounded a lot like the Enterprise B in Generations. Now it sounds of a piece with TMP and Wrath of Khan. In 2022 the only unmitigated "I wish the rest of the movie was this perfect!" triumph is the sound. (I was so pissed when I saw it in the cinema that the sound was low and muddy. Damn Fathom!)

I prefer the theatrical as well, there are too many strange choices and distracting fanboy stuff in the DE (Dochterman Edition). I would have much preferred an actual director’s cut based on what Wise wanted to do in 1979.

Since I wasn't there, this is guesswork. Hopefully informed guesswork. But there are certainly changes that feel like Fein, Dochterman, and Matessino. But the important changes feel absolutely like Wise. (And for better or worse none of them feel like Roddenberry.) Every editorial change is from Wise. This is especially bolstered with the same edits being carried forward from 2001. Every reference to TOS (the shuttlecraft in San Fransisco) is absolutely the production team. Wise might have been OK with it, but I don't think he went into this into this thinking "I didn't have enough things from the TV show!"

The editing and flow of the film was the primary mission. Obviously it was Wise's passion and his reason for revisiting the film.

The computer voices by all accounts (including, I believe, Wise's but it's been a long time since I've watched the interviews on the 2001 DE) were something Wise was on the fence about in the first place and after seeing the rough cut (i..e. Star Trek: The Motion Picture) he was not fond of. There was a lot of "We don't know if we're going to see something so we need someone to tell us about it". And when the film was done there were a lot of people and computers repeating what we'd already seen. (But that DOES give us Galaxy Quest!)

I think TMP is a little cursed. It's like you push down one bubble on the wallpaper and another one comes up. The sound is perfect. ("Two AUs in diameter" even sounds natural now!) San Fransisco looks worse. Going back to the original effects elements makes the Enterprise look better than ever before. What the hell is up with that officer's lounge? And so on.

But of the (counts...) four released editions of this film THIS is as good as it gets.

If Spock doesn't cry, it's not Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Are you sure? I'm not hearing it.

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Ok, not as early as I remembered it. It's at 0:24 in this clip.

Also:

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4:02 - "That'll be the day."

 

[Rahul]

Perhaps they thought the TMP one sounded better.

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This is abso-fucking-lutely the main theme of Galaxy Quest!

Prove me wrong.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Orville season 3 > SNW season one

 

[Tallguy]

I thought that's what you were doing but to have you confirm it...

Like a bouquet! :-)

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Good LORD they're delightful!

 

[Farscape One]

Orville season 3 > SNW season one

I'll say the theme song is better than SNW, but the visuals for both themes are astounding. SNW edges out slightly for me because of Pike's voiceover. I didn't realize how much I really missed hearing "Space, the final frontier..." until SNW started.

 

[Lord Garth]

TOS is a five-season show followed by six movies. The last two seasons looked very 2-D.

TNG is a 10-season show with four movies in-between the seventh and eighth seasons. At least two of those last three seasons are pretty controversial.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'll say the theme song is better than SNW, but the visuals for both themes are astounding. SNW edges out slightly for me because of Pike's voiceover. I didn't realize how much I really missed hearing "Space, the final frontier..." until SNW started.

I don't think Daniel was referring to the theme music, considering he specified the season.

 

[Farscape One]

I don't think Daniel was referring to the theme music, considering he specified the season.

I see it now.

I still stand by what I said, though.

 

[Tuskin38]

here's what I think is a controversial opinion. I like the Barclay episodes of Voyager. That includes Life Line.

 

[Farscape One]

Does that statement include "INSIDE MAN"?

Because that was just a terrible episode.

And "ENDGAME"? Also terrible.

"AUTHOR, AUTHOR"... meh.

(I do agree that "PROJECTIONS", "PATHFINDER", and "LIFE LINE" were good.)

 

[FederationHistorian]

TOS is a five-season show followed by six movies. The last two seasons looked very 2-D.

TNG is a 10-season show with four movies in-between the seventh and eighth seasons. At least two of those last three seasons are pretty controversial.

And that eighth season isn’t really all that controversial, aside from the final two episodes.

 

[cooleddie74]

I actually liked nine of PIC Season 1's ten episodes. I cannot say the same for Season 2's quality.

 

[FederationHistorian]

I actually liked nine of PIC Season 1's ten episodes. I cannot say the same for Season 2's quality.

I did as well. I feel that those complaining that PIC is dark and not utopian like TNG are missing the point. Especially when compared with the real world, about the same amount of time has passed between the final years of the Cold War and today as did between the launch of the Ent-D and the world of PIC S1 in universe. Neither reality is as optimistic about its future as it once was after being challenge by several events, and the show chose to meet where viewers are today. Likely learning from ENT premiering a few weeks after 9/11 and how the tone of that show clashed with how people felt then.

I didn’t mind the swearing of characters in PIC, and Admiral Clancy was right that the Federation did pass judgment on which species live or die. Its called the Prime Directive. And it made equal amount of sense that Picard had forgotten that in light of the supernova after being assigned to lead the rescue operation after being a defender of the Prime Directive for years. And while the show was set outside the Federation, adventure and exploration is a big part of Star Trek and that season delivered on that. Star Trek was due for some outside the box thinking anyways, so it gets a tip of the hat from me.

But I won’t ignore issued some had with the final couple of episodes. Narek does just disappear into thin air (apparently there was a scene of him being arrested by the Federation that was cut). The extradimensional synths should have simply rung the doorbell, as it were, and reopened the gateway on their own as it was their tech that was used to open it. And the copy and paste of the Inquiry class when facing down the Zhat Vash fleet was lazy. Although I’m happy they made up for it in the S2 premiere with a more diverse fleet, I’ll never understand why they never used the Galaxy class CG model they made for PIC in that scene and sprinkle in a few of them. It was right there and would have been a nice callback to Picard being rescued by that class of ship, along with Riker.

 

[Commander Troi]

Perhaps they thought the TMP one sounded better.

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Oof! Yeah, a bit brassy there.

That kind of opinion takes real Courage.

*snort!*

But it was awesome when it played in Yesterday's Enterprise. And lots of other places.

Perhaps (I don't know my Trek music like you do), but it seems a bit much for a main theme.

If Spock doesn't cry, it's not Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

THAT needs to be on a tshirt!

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Good LORD they're delightful!

Soooo adorable! It's been too long since I watched that.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

So how long do you think SNW goes before Pike has his moment of history that he must do, the bit we glimpsed in Disco?

 

[fireproof78]

So how long do you think SNW goes before Pike has his moment of history that he must do, the bit we glimpsed in Disco?

Ten years.

 

[cooleddie74]

About six. SNW is now in 2259 and probably about to enter 2260 so we're looking at six years until the training ship accident that cripples him.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

About six. SNW is now in 2259 and probably about to enter 2260 so we're looking at six years until the training ship accident that cripples him.

That sounds like a reasonable length of time and given we don't do 22 episode seasons any more... Sounds perfect

 

[Lord Garth]

I still think SNW doesn't end with Pike's injuries. I think we'll see what happens to Pike after "The Menagerie". I'm calling it now.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I think I would love for the finale to be a bookend to The Menagerie, showing how the rest of Pike's crew was involved in the effort to bring Pike to Talos IV. Sort of like how Trials and Tribble-ations was set up, except you wouldn't actually have to use old clips as the characters are already being recast. Just recreate certain scenes with the new actors.